The way I see it, the princesses officially coronated into the franchise are just that - a franchise. They're the ones who get the merch, because they're popular and they make money. Tinkerbell and Esmerelda were originally included because they fit the "Princess mythology", despite their lack of royal ties, but they got kicked to the curb when Disney started producing more popular princesses to add to the lineup. Tinkerbell now has her own franchise, as do Anna & Elsa. The only reason they're not part of the official DP lineup is that they're more profitable on their own.

I use the link to determine princess status. A member of a royal family, or the wife of a prince. Anna? Princess. Tinkerbell? Awesome, but not a princess. Mulan? Officially coronated into the DP franchise, but not actually royalty. Not a real princess, just an honorary one.

I'm not trying to start an argument on who belongs here and who doesn't. There isn't a right or wrong answer. Just curious. Very curious.

Well, for me it depends on whether we're talking Disney Princess or Disney princess. If it's the former, then it's only the ladies who have been officially coronated into the franchise. If it's the latter, then I agree with DarkSarcasm.

This poll was inspired by link, about the inclusion of Anna & Elsa, so we're talking about whichever is relevant to this club.

I've always been under the impression that this club is about all the princesses of Disney, not just the very limited lineup of the franchise, and here's why: I'm pretty sure link is the spot creator, and her contributions (and the contributions of many of the club's first fans) of Disney ladies who aren't part of the official DP lineup go back link. Yep. I pulled the dinosaur card. =P

If she is part of the Official DP franchies then she is a Disney Princess ^^

Plenty of other spots for Disney characters/heroines. This one is for the Disney Princesses, the Official Disney Princesses. You can clearly see them on the banner.

And by the way, Marissa wasn't one who created the club. Once we asked her and she said no.

Huh. She was the first person to contribute images, that's usually the spot creator. Has anyone asked kateliness2 or DifferentFree?

The banner is relatively new, and may reflect the current opinion of the majority, but princesses like Kida and Giselle have been part of the club for 8 or 9 years.

This^ The others make no sense. Popularity? Elsa is extremely popular, but she was a princess for exactly ten minutes in the film, and then was a queen for the last 90 minutes of the film. Elsa is not a princess, she is a queen.

The same with Kida. Kida is not a princess, she is a queen.

Giselle was not inducted by coronation ceremony, because Disney did not want to pay Amy Adams royalties for using her "likeness" every time Giselle was marketed. So Giselle is not part of the royal court, either.

Esmeralda was removed from the lineup long ago.

Megara is part "demi godess" through marrying Hercules, so she's not exact a princess, either.

Bottom line, a Disney princess is not one through marriage, through popularity, nor necessarily through royal lineage. A Disney princess is what Disney says it is: an exclusive decision made by Disney Inc. to some characters--- and the "true Princesses" are the ones who got an official coronation in Disney World.

Frozen is its own separate franchise. Stop trying to shove it into the Official Disney Princess Franchise Club here on Fanpop. Frozen makes plenty of money on its own, and has an enormous fanbase all on its own. Frozen fits into 3 OTHER Disney Fanpop clubs on this site, not to mention the clubs exclusively devoted to it! In my opinion, Frozen doesn't need to be here in this club.

The other club users you've mentioned haven't been around in ages. There is nothing wrong with the current banner for this club. Our current banner accurately represents the Official Princesses of the Disney Princess Marketing Franchise. Please leave it alone.

Ah, for me the official coronation just a formality and for introduced the new princess to general publics. All girls who are royals, whether by blood or marriage are definitely PRINCESS, don't care that they're have official coronation or not, that's it!

@wavesurf: I agree every words of yours. Plenty of other groups have for Disney Characters. This spot is about Disney Princess, that is a franchise made by Disney. Like ex. Disney Fairies. Example Fauna is a fairy still no one tries to force her into the Disney Fairies franchise 'cause she is not part of that franchise yet she isn't less a fairy than TinkerBell or Silvermist.
I really don't understand why people who aren't active here (not even a member) try to set a useless argument.

As "not even a member" mentioned in the first comment, it's about curiosity. You do not have to be a member to join a discussion here, or in any other spot on fanpop.

@Tiffany88: The argument was bound to come, anyway. Once Disney was "up front" and "clear" about the status of Anna and Elsa as a separate franchise, that was the proverbial nail in the coffin.


Elsa and Anna do not belong in this club, anymore. They hung out for three years in this club, under "a consideration period" while "Disney figured out what to do with them." Disney has decided that Anna and Elsa aren't going to be "Official Princesses," and I concur with Disney's explanation. Elsa and Anna are not Official DPs. Do not put them in polls, articles, and pictures in this club anymore. They belong in the Childhood Animated Movie Heroines (CAMH) Club, the Walt Disney Characters Club, and the Childhood Animated Movie Characters Club. They belong in all of the Frozen clubs that cover Fanpop. They do not belong in the Official Disney Princess Club on Fanpop, anymore.

@DarkSarcasm The issue is that from our perspective it seems like you are trying to delegate who can and cannot be included in this club. I know that that's not what you're trying to do, but the way you've worded a lot of your comments makes it seem that way. The fact that this poll stemmed from an argument on a different poll about who should be included doesn't help at all. I think people are just annoyed because they don't want to be told what they can and cannot talk about on here.

I think people are just annoyed because they don't want to be told what they can and cannot talk about on here.

That is my point. Some users think that certain princesses shouldn't be included because they are not part of the merch franchise. I'm not telling users who they can and cannot include. I am not the Princess Police. I am a casual fan, and I made the poll because I wanted to see where most fans stood on the issue.

^You copied a question from another user, Ace2000, who put up that poll several hours before yours. This poll is just a duplicate poll, with a rephrasing of the same question. That prior poll already answered the question about Anna and Elsa.

We have been "winding down" the appearance of Anna and Elsa in this club, given their consistent love outside of "the Princess label" marketing. We do not need to create friction and angry fans around here.

"Most fans" are not going to give you the same answers you're seeking. They are going to give you all kinds of different answers, which come from all sorts of perspectives. You're not going to get "a most fans" answer, because there simply isn't one.

So the fact is this. Anna and Elsa are Disney Characters, just as much as Giselle and Eilonwy are. But they are not Disney Princesses.

Ace's poll is about Anna & Elsa. This is about princesses in general.

The poll is open, and anyone is free to add their own answer. I want to know how fans pick their princesses. I am aware that the vocal majority goes by the official coronations. But there are 43,000 fans here, and everyone's opinion matters.

On a personal level: I don't care for Frozen. I think it was overrated, and honestly, kind of boring. I don't care if you include Anna & Elsa in your personal lists and picks and whatnot. But I do believe that fans should be able to post content about or discuss anyone they consider to be a Disney princess without being jumped on.

^No one is jumping on people for loving Anna and Elsa. I doubt that that is the case around here. (What does happen is that people around Fanpop jump on you for liking Ariel, when they do not). Stick around more, and you'll see a lot of that happening.

As for what a princess is or isn't, like I said--- answers will be all over the place. No one answer is right or wrong. But I just stick with the facts from Disney. I'm not adding anymore polls with Anna and Elsa in them to this club. And to quote MaidofOrleans, I am also not discussing them regularly. The fans who do discuss them regularly...well, that's their choice to do so, and their right to do so. But the Club icon is not about to change from being some version of Cinderella ( because she is Walt's Princess, the one he identified as having loved dearly), and only the 11 coronated Official Princesses will appear in this club banner. The rest, people have the freedom to do with, however they might choose.

In real life, obviously blood or marriage, but for a Disney Princess an official coronation. Really I think all the Disney heroines should be Disney Princesses, but since they aren't official I don't mind, but royal lineage isn't necessary to be a good role-model to kids, Mulan and Pocahontas are great examples and they are definitely DPs.

I agree with MaidofOrleans. :)

^Hey, ApplesauceDoctr!!! I haven't seen you posting in the longest time How's it going? You good?

There are categories for the whole DP Franchise.

Official DP's- Aurora, Jasmine, Cinderella, Mulan, Tiana, etc
Other Princesses- Nala, Sofia, Elena, Melody, Anna, etc
Other Heroines- Megara, Esmeralda, Jane, Nani, etc

So for example, Elena is a Disney princess. So is Anna. But they are not official DP's. The official DP's are the 11.

Apparently Disney wants to get rid of the lineup which is weird...

i agree with wavesruf. The definition is set by Disney and not the members of the club, there are plenty clubs where other female leads can be discussed. What;s the point of the club that is especially for DP if we are to include all other leads. People have liberty to discuss what they wish to here, but primarily it is for DPs only.

I agree with MaidofOrleans' original comment.