New Game of Thrones 写真 from Barrueco de Arriba 確認 Reports 

Reports have been coming in steadily over the past few weeks concerning the

filming in Spain, and the action scene underway in Malpartida de Cáceres. Cameras are rolling even over the weekend, with hundreds of extras turning up in Malpartida’s Los Barruecos yesterday to continue filming what is sure one of season 7’s biggest scenes.

has new images from yesterday’s shooting in Barrueco de Arriba confirming more details from recent spoiler reports, so keep on reading to view the photos!

With these new photos, details of the major ambush scene speculated and spoiled for the last few weeks are now confirmed. As you can see below, a horde of Dothraki are attacking the caravans that previously were seen carrying away goods from Highgarden. 

 story refers to eyewitness reports from filming, describing the scene as an attack, with a large number of horses charging toward an imaginary enemy. Imaginary for the moment- the target will be added later, it seems.

was able to confirm other aspects of the ambush spoilers this week, including the Lannisters marching with the loaded caravans. And so the pieces of the puzzle are adding up: the caravans traveling, the Lannisters afoot, the Dothraki charging…and there are still weeks of shooting left in Barrueco de Arriba, so we may hear more about cast sightings soon. Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Jerome Flynn, and more have been rehearsing and spotted around Caceres, but Emilia Clarke was spotted in Belfast two days ago. Can we hope for Daenerys’ return to Spain in the near future?

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Mark Mylod (episodes 2 and 3) prepares to shoot a likely King’s Landing sequence in Cáceres. Could this be the big parade scene with thousands of extras?

The unsulied will be part of the ambush scene. Javi said it and wic posted a picture of jacob in caceres this days.

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I thought it was just the Dothraki in the ambush scene, not the unsullied? It gets a bit confusing with possibly Highgarden and Casterly Rock having locations at the same time.

This is what we thought: Lannisters vs Tyrells at Highgarden (Almodóvar & Trujillo), followed by Dothraki vs Lannisters near Highgarden (Las Breñas & Los Barruecos); Also, at some point, Unsullied vs Lannisters at Casterly Rock (location, if any, unknown; previously speculated to be Almodóvar, depicting the Rock along with the Tyrell home, because of Jacob… now it’s unclear).

There was clear evidence to back all of that up. Things might have changed as production went on, or perhaps we’re interpreting Jacob’s presence in the area wrongly. Who knows. We’ll have to wait and see, won’t we? Basically: If Unsullied appear in this battle, it’ll be clear our information was outdated —The Unsullied were included later into production. If they don’t show up, it may mean Jacob’s in Cáceres to film some other scene.

Emilia Clarke was seen today in London. How she is in Belfast?

Now im concerned that casterly rock might not appear since the unsulied will be part of the ambush and almovodar and Trujillo was only highgarden and jacob was there for HG.

Don’t be concerned. Casterly Rock may not need a Spanish location. They may do it with CGI and interior locations only. We’ll see.

If she was seen in London today, that wouldn’t be so weird. Belfast is like a two-hour flight from London.

I really have to wonder how the Dothraki are going to handle snow lol!! Hopefully they do something funny as a call back to them talking smack about Dany being out in the sun!!

I know, but if she was in Belfast she should not stay filming? .. I mean, why stay only one day in Belfast to go to London? I do not see much sense. Day before yesterday, she was coming back from US. It seems information is mismatched.

I wouldn’t worry so much about her comings and goings. Belfast and London are pretty close together. And yes, someone could feasibly do one day of filming before heading out to somewhere else.

She certainly seem to have the energy to do so! She seems like a total goofball but pulls off bitchface so well 🙂

Thanks for the info, I’ll have to make sure I keep updated. It’s getting pretty interesting.

nvm can’t even joke around might be taken the wrong way

Hmm.. What’s the likelihood that the cast could be in attendance for the Arsenal vs PSG match this Wednesday at the Emirates (in London for those who don’t follow soccer/football)? This is solely based on one of Emilia’s hashtags while the cast was at the Seville vs Barca match. Yes I know, flimsy speculation LOL Picture I’m referencing / Hashtag was #arsenalfcyoureupnext…

hmmmm, speaking as someone only here intermittently and in the past week

Sounds like Cersei may send out the Lannister army from KL early on to smash Highgarden and take Olenna out over the whole “you’ve lost Cersei and it gives me Joy speech” not to mentioing SC baiting,

Plus there’s the matter of controlling to oft-mentioned Grain Supply needed to feed KL and keep Cersei’s position secure

Lannisters manage to do it before all the Bannermen are in position because hard to imagine they would be able to do it otherwise so quickly

But on way back from sacking some of Dany’s west coast landed force meet up with the Randyll and they attack the returning Lannister soldiers and their loot – smashing much of their field army

Would imagine they may then split, with Randyll + Dothraki heading to KL while Grey Worm splits off to head up West Coast to besiege Casterly Rock

This makes some sense, have to visually introduce Randyll as an able Military Commander via established characters – eg Bronn and or Jaime may get ambushed, then later on can give Grey Worm his due as a Commander as he besieges Casterly Rock

Technically Grey Worm should have Tyrion with him as Dany’s Lannister Lord of Casterly Rock to help placate smallfolk and minor nobility and Varys should accompany Randyll to KL given he can utilise his intelligence network and lessen any resistance but I doubt that will be the case

Going by those Dany meets Jon at Dragonstone pics, seems Varys and Tyrion may play a role in having Dany being open-minded to “Ned Starks bastard” given Tyrion has met him personally and Varys can vouch for Ned Stark SC defiance in relation to killing Dany given he was present

I just don’t get why they don’t attack Kingslanding while the Lannister army is away. Varys and Tyrion know enough secret passages to enter a few men and secure the Wildfire before attacking.

If her army is spread all over the South of Westeros of course they are defeated. But I guess the storyline needs to have her lose much of her forces.

Chances of Grey Worm and Unsullied survival are low if they’re part of the ambush sequence.

Why would cast go there? I understand Sevilla, since all where there and others do have their thigns to do. That seems more like Emilia’s private thing because Alfie is a big fan of Arsenal. Rumours here and there.

Yeah, you’re likely right. I just remembered the hashtag and, as I stated, came up with a flimsy speculation.

Yes, there seems to be some information having been confused – it’s hard to keep track of so many actors who are permanently changing locations… 😉

Emilia was seen on Nov 18th in London (not Belfast), and yesterday Nov 20th again.

I just don’t get why they don’t attack Kingslanding while the Lannister army is away. Varys and Tyrion know enough secret passages to enter a few men and secure the Wildfire before attacking.

Wildfire. Tyrion knows there’s caches under the city and will now realise that Cersei is willing to use it to kill thousands of innocent citizens.

That’s exactly the same question I am asking myself again and again and again. Dany lands on Dragonstone. OK, I can imagine that she gets into a a storm on her way and her fleet is scattered, and she needs to make a stop at Dragonstone, so all the ships could gather, etc. But why would Cersei leave Dragonstone unmanned, while expecting Dany’s invasion? Maybe, Dany will be planning to land at a different location, and Cersei will prevent that leaving Dragonstone as a second option? But one way or another, landing on Dragonstone makes the attack on KL the most reasonable and almost inevitable next step. Even if Dany decides not to attack the city to avoid civil causalities and chooses to deal with the Lannister army first (hoping that Cersei will be forced to surrender, if she succeeds), the ambush battle should be taking place right out of KL (Clob is right: Kingswood would be probably the best location for the ambush). But that WON’T BE THE CASE.

According to Luka, the ambush will happen somewhere near Highgarden, so, basically on the western coast of Westeros; the Unsullied in the Casterly Rock imply the same. So, why would Dany leave a relatively convenient jumping ground and go to the other side of the continent? And how does she get there? If she sails, Jaime would have plenty of time to return to KL long before she comes somewhere near Highgarden and Euron will have plenty of time to retake Dragonstone for Cersei long before she returns. But that WON’T BE THE CASE again.

The mosts reasonable (though far from satisfactory) explanation I have so far is that Dany will find the entire coast of the Black Water Bay (as well as the Stormlands and Dorne) very well fortified and therefore will have to look for ways to bypass Cersei’s defenses. Theoretically, she could sail north, land in the Riverlands (which will be in turmoil and might even show some welcoming) and then make a fast march to Highgarden and/or Casterly Rock: maybe she will be expecting to find Highgarden still under the siege and come with the plan of ambushing Jaime only after learning about Olenna’s downfall (could make sense).

As for Yara’s role, IMO, she will be creating some diversion to lure Euron away; maybe she will create an impression that Dany is going to land in Dorne: that would explain the presence of the Sand Snakes on her ship during the naval battle, which will go ill, but still promote Dany save landing in the Westeros mainlands…

But still I am not happy with these explanations, so I just wanted to ask Luka:

Based on your information, are you sure that the ambush battle will be happening near Highgarden? Sorry for being tiresome, and thank you in advance.

Apollo: Wildfire. Tyrion knows there’s caches under the city and will now realise that Cersei is willing to use it to kill thousands of innocent citizens.

Oh, but this problem has a rather easy solution: Team-Dany should simply spread the message that there are caches of wildfire hidden all over the city and urge the citizens to check their basements; Varys could draw the plans of the secret passages and spread them too. After all, if Little Birds managed to find those caches, anyone can. And that would win Dany some public support, because, as far as we know, wildfire is rather unstable and may ignite just by accident.

Would they really need Emilia for more shooting in Spain? From what I gather Dany is on Drogon for most of the ambush so wouldn’t that mean studio filming in Belfast instead? BTW I really think Randyll Tarly is on the side of the Lannisters he hates the wildlings he more than likely feels the same about the Dothraki. Just to point out I thought this long before the leaks came out like right after season 6.

According to Luka, the ambush will happen somewhere near Highgarden, so, basically on the western coast of Westeros; the Unsullied in the Casterly Rock imply the same. So, why would Dany leave a relatively convenient jumping ground and go to the other side of the continent? And how does she get there? If she sails, Jaime would have plenty of time to return to KL long before she comes somewhere near Highgarden and Euron will have plenty of time to retake Dragonstone for Cersei long before she returns. But that WON’T BE THE CASE again.

I re-watched season 6 last week when my DVD arrived, and had completely forgotten that in 610, Daario and Daenerys actually have a conversation in which taking CR is mentioned. Daario misinterprets Daenerys’s statement that he isn’t coming with her as her saying that he will attack the west coast of Westeros as she attacks the east – he points out that if she takes CR then the Lannister forces won’t have anywhere to fall back to when she takes KL. Perhaps this is meant to be some sort of foreshadowing for the attack on CR, and it could give us some sort of explanation as to why Daenerys would split her forces like this?

Whether it’s true or not. I don’t want to spread gossip around here, much like with Kit. I wanna respect their privacy.

That person on 4 chan said Bronn hit Drogon with their weapon made by Qyburn and Dany fall off from Drogon. Jaime charged at her, she was armed with some spear and then Drogon prepared to burn him, Bronn pushed him into the water, saving him from a certain death.

Inga: wildfire is rather unstable and may ignite just by accident.

Which is why it would be stupid and dangerous to alert the townsfolk of KL that it’s potentially hidden under their homes.

Inga: Oh, but this problem has a rather easy solution: Team-Dany should simply spread the message that there are caches of wildfire hidden all over the city and urge the citizens to check their basements; Varys could draw the plans of the secret passages and spread them too.

The most likely result of warning the populace is King’s Landing blowing up because of an accident. Probably several accidents! Whatever Tyrion or Varys or Dany do, Cersei has King’s Landing hostage.

Inga: Based on your information, are you sure that the ambush battle will be happening near Highgarden?

If the information didn’t indicate it, I wouldn’t be saying it, repeatedly, would I? 😉

Oh that sort of rumours. I hadn’t heard this before. I think that’s all it is lol – rumours.

If Drogon is there will also Viserion and Rhaegal ? Will Viserion and Rhaegal get riders? Leak said nothing about that.

Yes, I remember that scene and I agree that it was a foreshadowing. However, the true meaning of that foreshadowing it hard to tell yet.

On the one hand, CR should be one of the targets, and Dany has Tyrion who knows everything about the castle and its secret passages and sewage systems. Therefore sending Tyrion to CR with a small but reliable force (the Unsullied + Yara’s Ironborn) looks like a reasonable idea. But it seems like Tyrion will be on Dragonstone most of the season: more specifically Ep 1, 3, 4, and 5 based on his sightings at the Dragonstone filming sets with Dany, Jon, Davos, etc. Theoretically, Tyrion can go together with Dany in Ep 3-4, but if that happens, who will be left on Dragonstone? Jon? Sounds like a GoT version of “Home Alone”. And how would Grey Worm take CR without Tyrion? Will he draw him a plan of the sewage system or what?

And then there is all that riddle with everyone coming back to Dragonstone in Ep 5. What’s the point of going to that dead end island, if Dany has “boots on the ground” in the mainlands? In her case, retreat means defeat, but I can’t even figure out how it can happen technically. OK, Dany has Drogon, but her men don’t fly and neither do their horses. Moreover, Jaime beats Dany so hard that she has to retreat, her Dothraki would be shot from every bush all the way down to the sea, and then Dany will have to burn every bush all the way down to the sea, etc. And what about the ships, etc.

So, maybe Grey Worm’s alleged presence in CR has a much more simple explanation: Dany loses the ambush battle (because Jaime will be simply baiting her with that caravan), the Unsullied play 300 Spartans covering retreat of the Dothraki forces, Grey Worm gets captured (badly wounded, of course); and Jaime brings him to CR, where he spends the rest of the season until the Dany and Cersei agree on the armistice (and probably release of the captives). And then Cersei may decide to retreat to CR at the very end of the season, etc.

But still, everything looks weird and inconsistent, as if we are missing some major puzzle piece.

Only Varys know about the secret passages in KL ..he can guide a team into KL and capture cersei without much bloodshed ..

Like what happened with tywin and blood and cheese in dance of the dragons..

The only reason is because they want dany to lose or not capture KL no one will be bringing this secret passages about ..

In fact, the citizens of KL should already know that they are living on a wildfire cache. If the information was gathered by the Little Birds, there was no way to keep it secret from the public: children talk and not only for sweets; they talk because they like talking. And after the incineration of the sept, those talks could hardly been neglected. And as for Dany, if she conceals this information from her people, she will rob them of any chances of escape and/or prevent destruction of their city.

As for the ambush-battle location, thank you, Luka, once again. Now we just have to find the right perspective to look at it, in order to avoid bashing D&D for silly writing.

Jaime helped Tyrion escape using a secret passage. So he knows about their existence now. He couldl have Cersei’s room guarded well enough to ensure no such attack happens.

In the books it was quite evident to everyone that Tyrion had gone into Tywin’s room via a secret passage. That’s why Cersei had the Tower of the Hand burned down, irrc. Even though the same was not explicitly specified in the show, surely they must have realized that’s how Tyrion made his way to Tywin’s room without the knowledge of the guards. So the secret passageways into the red keep at least might not be so secret anymore. Atleast Jaime is aware of them and can take take suitable precautions.

Regarding secret passages in KL: it would be too far stretched to assume that only Varys knows them. There were plans, so someone like Qyburn could find them and use both for the search of the wildfire caches, and for preventing any attack through these passages.

Well those people who made fun of Dany being in the sun are dead. And we have received pictures that show the Dothraki wearing furs and what not. I doubt they waste any time hitting on how the Dothraki are handling the snow. Maybe a quick shot of Dothraki shivering next to a northman feeling good. Something funny but hopefully a scene isn’t wasted to show how they are handling it. Not to mention I don’t believe any Dothraki will be going that far north in season 7 for a scene to see them deal with snow. But who knows.

That is the life of a famous actress/actor. One day they are filming scenes in studio in one city and leave that night to go have dinner in another city. it may seem odd to us non-famous people but this is the type of life they live.

yeah, pretty much sums it up. However, I think the consensus is

Randyll Tarly and his force will not be on Dany’s side instead will be on the Lannister side, or opposite side of Tyrells.

Well one would believe that something happens that doesn’t allow her to attack Kings Landing effectively. Also, having the idea that she can’t use her dragons to take Kings Landing because she will cause much death and destruction to innocence. We don’t and we won’t get spoilers on every little thing. If you want to be spoiled and you have this questions then you have to assume something happens that we are not aware of. Just my thoughts…

That is a good point as well. I always say its because something happens we don’t yet that doesn’t allow Dany to attack KL. My biggest point was always she cant use her dragons because it will cause much death and destruction to innocent people.

Whether the citizens of KL actually know about the existence of more Wildfire or not, they should at least be worrying about the possibility. They have already seen Stannis’ fleet getting blown up, they have now seen the Great Sept and other buildings nearby get blown up as well. Logically, they should be very worried about the existence of more of this substance and the chances of them being victims to more fireworks in the city, thus causing some panic amongst them. I don’t really think the show has the time to go into citizens’ concerns though.

Also what happens to all those Highgarden troops with Dany’s fleet?

The problem is everyone knows about the secret passages existence because of the history with blood and cheese but they don’t know where they are and what places they lead to.

You think there will be a scene where Jamie puts guards on the passages …i don’t think they will be bringing this up at all..

You can plan to capture cersei or get hold of all the wildfire this way ..and it makes more sense to do this when we know they are going to have tyrion go to KL to turn Jamie ..

The whole point about secret passages is that they are secret ..there won’t be a plan or map lying around for everyone to know…its been pointed out many times only varys knows about this ..

Well, I understand your concerns. I can provide a lot of reasons for why Dany goes to Dragonstone instead of straight up attacking KL. What if they all go to KL and get smoked. Def. not prepared, simply thought numbers would do the trick and it doesn’t. So they have to retreat. Wait where will they go? Having a base to be able to go to is ideal. So great reason for Dany to go to Dragonstone first. Second, through spoilers we do know that

Euron wins a battle vs a good portion of Dany’s fleet/arm basically dividing the Yara’s Ironmen and ending the SandSnakes.

. When that happens it could easily change Dany’s whole plan of attack, well back to my first point they need a base, Dragonstone. Why would Cersei leave it unmanned – I don’t know in the show that Cersei has taken Dragonstone back. Most likely has but probably leaving it unmanned because 1000 soldiers are more valuable in KL than Dragonstone. Cersei/Jamie move any men they had there back to KL because they expect the battle to go there. Regardless of how many man Cersei puts on Dragonstone it will be an easy castle for Dany’s support to take so there really is no need to show us fighting scenes of her men taking the castle.

Now I know HighGarden and Casterly Rock are on the other side of Westeros. However, there literally are roads from Kings Landing to both castles, and actually both castles aren’t that far from Kings Landing. There is also a road from Highgarden to Casterly Rock. My point is you are worried about travel and think sailing there is best when no, it is putting soldiers and horses on the ground. My guess is Dany knows she has a huge army and can easily separate the forces to be successful. She needs to secure the Reach with the Tyrell’s in trouble, they secured Dorne. Or think they do. Splitting forces has happened on the show previously with a lot less men. So it is easy to fathom a force of 100k + can be separated. I could write a lot a lot more. I think it makes sense and I like how the show is figuring out to spread the war out against the Lannisters.

If the show literally has them going straight to KL and winning a battle without using dragons, Lannisters not putting up a fight, it is a clean victory would have been crappy for the show.

That solution is not easy and for one not even logical. there are a million people Kings Landing and to assume all of them would be able to sneak out with the Gold Cloaks or the Lannister army is naïve. Not to mention there will be Cersei supporters among the small folk of Kings Landing so they would just simply inform people of the crown about what is going on. No chance in hell you can remove that many people from Kings Landing without tipping off Lannisters and Gold Cloaks.

Jaime might not be able to find and put guards in all the secret passageways, but he can have Cersei’s rooms searched thoroughly for such passages and put guards within her rooms to ensure there are no unexpected attacks and Tyrion would be anticipating such precautions by his siblings. I am not saying that there will actually be scenes of Jaime discussing secret passages, but it could be an explanation for why Tyrion doesn’t come up with this plan.

As for blood and cheese, since I haven’t read this, I can’t comment on it.

As for the Wildfire, Qyburn managed to find the ones beneath Baelor’s Sept. It’s not impossible that he could manage to locate some of the other places they are stored in as well and secure them.

Man you have a lot of questions that can easily be answer lol Yeah that is exactly what Grey Worm would do if he attacked Casterly Rock, he would sit with Tyrion and learn the ins and outs. You don’t need Tyrion there to do it and most likely if you took Tyrion there to do it he would slow you down or be a liability. Love Tyrion and he has proved himself in a couple fights but still a liability on the battle field. Yes, Tyrion would tell Grey worm.

We don’t know if people are just going to all go back to Dragonstone. I think the purpose for these missions is one to maintain strongholds throughout westeros. Two, gain valuable resources such as food, and supplies for the upcoming winter. Also, yes the fight at HighGarden can be called an ambush but it also could be the Dothraki are simply late. They could have been heading to HighGarden to secure the strong hold with Tyrell soldiers and support, but are late hence why olenna could end up dying becayuse the lannisters beat the Dothraki force there. But they get there just as the Lannister force is leaving.

I mean this is a battle that Jamie and Bronn lose it appears so I am guessing the Dothraki and men with the Dothraki in this battle are going to HighGarden to stay at Highgarden. I don’t think it was simply oh attack their caravan and come home. Much more to it than that.

I see what you are saying ..but for me what you are saying is an excuse on the behalf of show..

Whether or not jamie puts men in cersei’s room should not stop varys and tyrion telling dany about secret passages and they planning an attack team to enter KL with the intent of capture or kill cersei..

So from what we know about spoilers …it seems like

Jamie is on the side of cersei who is keeping hold of whole city and threatening to burn down the whole city but he still protects her and fights for her .

Varys will never bring secret passages up

Tyrion goes on a secret mission with Davos to KL to convince jamie which he refuses..it would be such a fun if jamie says dany is aerys’s daughter so he can’t trust her…

I think I wouldn’t mind them not bringing about secret passages if not for them having tyrion going secretly to KL ..

I think it’s a valid reason. Tyrion and Varys can tell Dany about the secret passageways, but they would also have to tell her that Jaime and Cersei will be aware of the existence of these passages even if they don’t know the location of all of them.

Jaime remaining on Cersei’s side after what she did is pretty disappointing, tbh.

If Jaime were to criticize Dany for being the Mad King’s daughter, it would be hypocritical of him, since he seems to be pretty fine with Cersei inspite of her doing what the Mad King was threatening to do. Jaime has turned against Tyrion though (even though Tyrion himself is not aware of this). He told Bronn he wants to kill him for murdering their father. So he is going to dismiss anything Tyrion has to tell him.

Personally, I think Tyrion goes to meet Jaime to propose a temporary truce from fighting, because of the WW threat. Jaime will however scoff at Tyrion and it is his refusal to believe Tyrion and his refusal to stop fighting, in ep 5, that prompts Jon to go on his grab-a-wight mission.

Jon being left alone on Dragonstone is not exactly the best negotiation position from Dany and her team. To be in the middle of some important negotiations and then went off to fight Lannisters. Sounds a bit disrespectful towards Jon and Davos. On top of it taking their weapons and boats, so they can’t leave and forced to sit on their ass and wait.

In the leaks Tyrion is going to that ambush/battle scene. Not sure why need to go there but he’ll go. I would prefer if Tyrion went to CR with Unsullied and lead them or show them how to enter CR through sewer system he was tasked by Tywin and how he smuggled whores.

How can Tyrion went to Jaime (obviously with Dany’s blessing,which would means she believes Jon) alone with Davos to form a truce, when Dany is not ready to commit her men, thus Jon leading expedition up Beyond the Wall. Unless, Jon would want to go to convince Cersei or Lannisters and secure few thousand men, if so stupid idea from him.

Why, having traveled over a thousand miles to see Dany, would Jon leave without accomplishing anything? If she has a military emergency, she has to respond to that.

And one idiot (random citizen) is all it takes for the entire city to burn!( probably someone like me ,my friends never let me hold their phones!!!) .If they tell people they are sitting in wildfire they will go crazy .They will try to flee KN in a chaotic way and Cersei’s soldiers will try to kill everyone who tries to pass the gates . (Imagine if someone screams in the mall “There’s a bomb!!!”).No ,they need to do it quietly and with Jaime’s help.

Seven hells i can’t wait to see Dontraki screamers in action !!! It’s about f****ng time!!

That solution is not easy and for one not even logical.there are a million people Kings Landing and to assume all of them would be able to sneak out with the Gold Cloaks or the Lannister army is naïve.Not to mention there will be Cersei supporters among the small folk of Kings Landing so they would just simply inform people of the crown about what is going on.No chance in hell you can remove that many people from Kings Landing without tipping off Lannisters and Gold Cloaks.

Not just supporters but people eager to exchange information for gold.Or Tyrion.Cersei put a price on his head!!

How many times are you going to call Jon stupid? It’s not stupid. The war between Dany and the Lannisters can stop only if BOTH sides stop fighting. Even if Dany were to be willing to call a truce, if the Lannisters continue to attack her, she will be forced to retaliate, which means more fighting among the humans, something which Jon WANTS TO STOP. So yeah, I don’t think convincing the Lannisters to stop fighting is stupid AT ALL. Not when they have the biggest army in all of Westeros (not just a few thousand as you say). This very army (Lannisters plus Euron) has already defeated the Tyrells, Martells and Yara’s fleet.. The only way to prepare for the WWs is to stop the human war and stop the killing. If you can’t see this, I don’t know what else to tell you.

I don’t really know how convinced Dany is with Jon’s story, when and how much does she believe him. But I don’t think the grab-a-wight mission happens to convince her, since there is no need for it. She is sending Jorah with them, all he needs to do is actually see a wight for himself and come back and report to Dany about it. There would be no need for Jon to actually capture a wight and bring it to her. It is the Lannisters they need to convince, because they HAVE to STOP the war.

I am tired of defending Jon again and again. So let’s just call it quits now.

She has her generals, doesn’t she? Tyrion is going with her and Dothraki, which would take at least a week to travel if not more. Leaving in the middle of negotiations is not exactly the best impression Jon could get from her. Sitting on his ass, waiting once she returns. Truly equals that.

Jon is a smart lad but going by the leaks making a huge mistake. Trusting lunatic Cersei and Lannisters? He’s risking his and others lives for a few thousand men if not less? Ambush/battle scene is supposed to end with Dany’s victory and her destroying Lannisters (large portion of them) and Tarlys. They’re coming back from the sack of Highgarden. Leaving them with marginal forces or very small. Is it really needed for Jon to risk all of that for this? Does this sound to you as a reasonable idea?

Dany is probably devastated of loss of Viserion and doesn’t want to kill accidently civilians. Cersei is winning again and making them look like fools. In the leaks it says she prmised them her forces and fooling them, as she admitted to Jaime she just wants white walkers to thin her enemies.

Actually, Dany is not convinced at this point. That’s why she stays behind with her dragons when Jon initially departs on this mission, and that’s why Jon offers to lay down his title

for her help at the end of the mission. He’s trying to convince Dany as much as anyone else, and in the end, it works. Sending Jorah instead of ensuring the mission’s success with her dragons if she actually bought the threat by episode 5 would be pure idiocy. The very fact that Jon is still bargaining with her in episode 6 tells you all you need to know. She doesn’t commit her forces to the WW threat until she sees them for herself.

the leaks lack context though. How she goes from not believing in the WW threat to showing up North of the Wall alone with her dragons to save the others? Will she have one of those prophetic dreams? Bran? Or she agreed she’d leave later(even though this last option is less likely)? I just find really weird that she sent Jorah because she “needed proof” and ends up there herself when possibly they would not even be able to comunicate with each other while they were in the wight hunt mission.

Please, let´s just have awhole post dedicated to this subject, so at least the comments would be pertinent!

Jon goes to Dragonstone not only because of Dany, but also because they need dragonglass. dany has a military emergency and leaves Jon, what, by himself for a couple of days. I assume since she does not believe the WW at first, but wants Jon on her side at least, that dragonglass will be offered as a sign of goodwill.

Ambush, Dany, Jon it’s all linked. My intention is not in comparing Jon and Dany and who is better.

Leaving for a couple of days? Transporting Dothraki troops would take a week at least, if not more. Leaks says Jon grows impatient with their petty wars and came up with mission Beyond the Wall.

but tbh Cersei will only agree to negociate with them at the dragonpit because her forces will probably be defeat at the ambush. If she was in better position I doubt she’d agree to talk with them, even if later she ends up admitting she was lying to them all. But at least if that gets confirmed she’ll lose Jaime’s support, which is a pretty big deal to her.

We may or may not learn why Dany decides to fly north, but that doesn’t change the fact that she doesn’t agree to help Jon until after the wight ambush. He’s offering to pledge himself to her in exchange for her help, which can only mean that she has not yet extended it. There’s no ambiguity there. And as for Jorah, in what universe is he as effective as three dragons? There are any number of reasons why Dany could have green lit his participation in this mission that don’t include her believing Jon. What would need to be going through her head if she’s convinced enough that the WW are a threat to send one extra man, but not enough to provide the only weapon capable of defending against an ambush? Or joining them herself to provide aerial support from the get go, which would have allowed her to foresee and possibly preempt an ambush altogether? Any scenario in which Dany believes Jon by episode 5 but still refuses to help him has her looking incredibly stubborn, short-sighted, and self-serving beyond reason. Since I seriously doubt we’re meant to view her as any of the above, I’m going with what I consider to be the most logical interpretation for her actions. The only way to keep her a sympathetic character if she only agrees to join Jon’s fight at the end of episode 6 is to have her unconvinced until she sees the threat for herself. What ultimately brings her north is another story, but I suspect people are overthinking it. Curiosity, a hunch, a flicker of doubt in her eyes as she watches Jon and Co. sail off in ep 5 – it’s really not that hard to plant the seed in a visual medium like this.

My reasoning was that since Jorah was with Jon, there would be no need to actually capture a wight and bring it to her. All he would need to do is take Jorah beyond the Wall and show one. Jorah could then report to her.

But yeah, you are probably right. He is trying to convince both parties here.

It works both ways though. If Cersei loses most of her force in the ambush, then why are Jon and Dany trying to convince her? We don’t know how many Lannister forces were involved in the ambush. I doubt it was the entirety of their army. If they have anything like 40,000 men (Lannisters plus Euron) and they lose even 10,000 at the ambush, that still leaves them with 30,000, a significant number. But since we don’t really know the size of the armies, it’s hard to speculate.

It’s unconfirmed what percentage of the Lannister army is devastated during the ambush, so they may still have a sizable force, enough to make a difference. Besides, Dany won’t be able to concentrate on the White Walkers if Cersei continues to attack them. If leaks are true and Cersei betrays Jon and Dany by withholding troops, she is the only stupid one in this equation. Even if Jon and Dany are killed by the White Walkers, it won’t be long until she’s next. She wouldn’t have won anything

I’m sorry to say this but people focus on some stupid shit and are intent on characters being stupid or not making sense when the reasons are pretty clear.

Like the insistence that it’s weird that Jon stays in Dragonstone while Dany goes to battle.It’s not a big deal at all.Tyrion has already told her that Jon is cool and it’s an emergency.Jon would get that.A couple of scenes of him without Dany there are totally fine.He won’t leave without getting what he came for.Plus it’s clear they made it this way for story purposes.He needs to see that the Targ and Lannisters continue to be at each others throats even though she knows the ww are back she doesn’t fully believe it and the losses are so big.They desperately need a ceasefire if they have hope of surviving hence the need for proof.Last resort is Tyrion trying to convince Jaime to switch.After that it’s a go for operation wight hunt.I don’t know what’s so hard to understand.People think I don’t like this development and would do things differently so that must mean the writing is stupid or #characterassasination(god I hate those words).The leaks lack context and the dialogue will clarify many things but still reading them it’s clear the characters will continue to be who they are.Jon will be Jon Dany will be Dany,Cersei will be Cersei etc.And this trend of blaming characters for things happening as an indirect result of their actions is ridiculous.They are not clairvoyants.It’s not Jon or Dany’s fault that Viserion dies and the Wall falls.It’s the Night Kings only.I’m watching the show so see an emotional well thought story not keep tally of whose fault it is for this and that.The protagonists are meant to drive the story forward so of course their action will sometimes not pan out and have consequences.This doesn’t make them the antichrist lol.

Hahaha……. 😀 And you thought this would remain a poor-Jon-being-disrespected-by-Someone/Anyone free zone! Even when it’s only about an ambush at HighGarden where there have been NO mention whatsoever of any Northern forces involved, or Jon involved, sooner or later the usual suspects make it about Poor Jon again. It must be a shock that after many seasons, a big battle/ambush is somewhere other than in the North and involve players other than Jon! 😀

Off-topic (but not very much), maybe some of you would like to read this interview with our Sue the Fury, the lady who has taught us to cover our spoilers:

Thank you, Sue, we are all here thanks to you!

I mean it’s not a surprise at all cause we all have known for a long time that Dany means to conquer westeros so of course there would be a big battle in the south.Everybody was expecting it.But there is big action sequence later on in the north so nobody has any cause to complain lol.

At least something but even after ambush Lannister forces will be depleted. They can take over KL through tunnels and Varys knows them or Tyrion. Not like hey need to negotiate because Lannisters army will be reduced by this attack from Dany. Ironborn strength is on the sea.

Where would Lannisters get anywhere close to one poster mentioned 40 000. They have hardly 15 000 after War of Five Kings. Tyrells got biggest army unless it’s some error on producers part and Lannisters do have around 30 000 or more. She’ll fool them yet again and won. Because she’s such a lunatic that rather would destroy it than cooporate or give up iron throne. They gonna be fighting white walkers, while she’s at KL ruling.

Did someone mentioned that Jon has to be involved? No. In fact it’s a good thing we’ll get battle that doesn’t involve the North. Lannisters vs Dothraki sounds awesome. Nobody is questioning battle itself, but why in the middle of negotiations between two main characters people want to meet and interact. Why interupting it by this?

Just read the interview. I also love reading the news while having breakfast after leaving my daughter at daycare!

I’ve found it pretty helpful to scroll whenever other characters’ defense squads report for duty, so I imagine it wouldn’t be that hard to do when people respond to Jon getting dragged in every single thread by the same posters, regardless of what the thread has to do with him. Hey, at least in this case the discussion is somewhat connected to the ambush. What can you do? People don’t seem to be all that interested in discussing the event itself.

Um wrong. There’s a big action sequence going on in the north. Nobody is whining that there’s a battle in the south (we were actually expecting this battle). I see most of the comments are the usual suspects calling Jon stupid and whining that the show isn’t making Dany steamroll the Lannisters in one episode.

I could be misremembering but I though Varys showed Tyrion a map of the tunnels under KL in ep 2.09 when they were preparing for Stannis’s attack? Although it could have been a normal map of KL and he just explained where the tunnels are in relation to everything else? 🤔

I feel like no matter how much posters try to reason with them and explain Jon’s motivations they don’t get it and repeat the same complaints and questions in every post. It makes me wonder if they even bother to read the replies to the questions they ask in the first place lmao. It’s exhausting.

Sue, that was a wonderful interview. You and the team consistently do a splendid job. It is satisfying to even just be a regular poster here. It’s also fun to happen upon a GoT titbit whilst browsing (usually on a news aggregator), at least one that sources WOTW. Equally, I’m angry whenever something that clearly comes from this site is not sourced. Grrrrr… . We know them because of the diligence of you and your colleagues. Still, your analogy to gorging on candy is apropos. Except for Dee Stark and a few other doughty souls with willpower, we all eat it up. I hate to think how Oz is surviving the present cornucopia. Anyway, well done, you.

Time for my annual kudos to you and all for working so hard to make this website the best thing out there! Loved your interview and look forward to meeting everyone at the Con of Thrones.

Great point! People always looking to advance themselves in Westeros!

I agree with some of your ideas and explanations (I had similar ones before); however, the problem is that most of them don’t line up with the filming spoilers.

1) Dany will land of Dragonstone in Ep 1; the battle with Euron will not be in Ep 1 (confirmed by Luka). I would be happy with your suggestion that Dany comes to Westeros, then something happens, and she chooses Dragonstone for landing as the second option. The problem is that there’s almost no time for something to happen. OK, some things may happen off screen or be filmed in the studio. I basically mean Euron sacking of Dorne/Sunspear/Watergardens. I still keep in mind the map from In Production Trailer showing Lannisters in Dorne and some ships hanging around the southern coast of the Stormlands. I know I made a lot of misinterpretations based on this map already, but if this is the situation Dany finds upon her arrival to the coasts of Westeros, that could be a legit explanation to her landing in Dragonstone. It could also explain why she finds Dragonstone poorly manned: Cersei’s forces (including Euron) would be concentrated in the Stormlands, Dorne, and the Sea of Dorne, which would give Dany a free passage all the way to Dragonstone.

However, if landing on Dragonston is made Dany’s first intentional choice , I don’t know which of the rival queens will look more stupid: Dany neglecting her allies, or Cersei failing to equip Dragonstone with ballistas and leaving it undermanned.

2) The naval battle. If Dany lands on Dragonstone, Euron must come after her and take a position somewhere nearby (the Black Water Bay and/or KL) waiting for a right moment to attack. So, when Dany decides to move to the mainlands, Yara will have to play a diversion and lure Euron away to give Dany a free passage to wherever she intends to go. IMO, that’s the best reason for the naval battle to happen, though there could be others as well.

3) The ambush battle (or rather the battle for Highgarden). I’m on board with your guess that Dany will rush to help Olenna after learning that Highgarden has or may fall under siege and that she will simply come too late. That will leave the ambush battle the only option. But first, she will have to get to Highgarden, and it’s hard to see Dany landing anywhere in the Blackwater Bay, because there she should encounter Cersei’s counteractions. So, it leaves the Riverlands the best option with a relatively safe harbor and relatively welcoming population. Jon might even play some role in facilitating that, if Edmure reclaims Riverrun by then (and even if not, the KINT would be the person the anti-Lannister and anti-Frey houses of the Riverlands would be looking at for support and/or council).

But as for the ambush battle, the crucial question is who wins? Let’s forger all the reddit leaks and look to the “official” spoilers: we have seen Jaime on the battlements of Highgarden, we haven’t seen any Dothraki on the battlements of Highgarden, so I suppose Highgarden will remain under Jaime’s control. Maybe he and Bronn will retreat there after the battle? That would be more reasonable, when sending them to KL with the Dothraki in pursuit. And that would give Dany more reasons to retreat and search for another target, namely send the Unsullied to the CR. If Tyrion were with them at that moment he could instruct Grey Worm about all the secret passages, and that could look more or less believable. Then Tyrion and Dany could back to Dragonstone through Riverlands again (I agree that sailing back and forth all around Westeros would be stupid), reach Dragonstone in Ep 5 and try to figure out what to do next, which would lead to Tyrion and Davos going to KL. Jaime may also be back in KL in Ep 5: he may leave Highgarden as soon as Dany retreats. But all in all, it looks like Dany’s victory at Highgarden will be rather Pyhrric or not a victory at all.

4) However, it still leaves us with the problem of Jon “Home Alone” on Dragonstone, and that’s something absolutely crazy, because how could Dany know that Jon wouldn’t strike a deal with Cersei in her absence? And what would Jon be doing “Home Alone” on Dragonstone: mining dragon glass and playing with broomsticks? If he intends to win Dany as an ally, the best way would be going with her to Highgarden and trying to charm her on the way. But that won’t be happening, so at least Tyrion should to stay on Dragonstone to interact with Jon, and that brings us back to the problem when and how Grey Worm is supposed to take Casterly Rock.

So, one way or another there are things that make no sense.

And as for Dany’s alleged reluctance to attack KL in order to avoid civilian causalities, I don’t buy that somehow. First of all, civilians will be dying one way or another: Cersei is already killing everyone who speaks against her, and things are going to be only worse next season. Secondly, if panic broke out and KL citizens decided to run away en masse, no Gold Cloaks could ever held them (and that would leave Dany an empty city). So, IMO there will be other reasons not to attack: it simply looks like Cersei will be one step forwards, and Dany will be forced to fight war under her terms, which is OK, if Dany is not made too stupid (she is one of the main protagonists after all).

As of season 6, the Lannisters have the largest army in Westeros, with the Tyrells having the second largest. Throughout the series, the numbers have never been specified, nor have the losses. The Lannisters lost a few battle against Robb, but it’s never been said what percentage of the Lannister army was lost. The Tyrells lost numbers, too, as some of their bannerman fought with Stannis at the Battle of the Blackwater. Plus, Randyll Tarly is apparently siding with the Lannisters in this conflict, therefore adding numbers to the Lannister forces while taking numbers away from the Tyrell forces.

Cersei ruling in King’s Landing while Dany and Jon fall to the White Walkers isn’t much of a victory when the White Walkers turn their attention to her. In that scenario, nobody wins.

Thank you for posting that. A great read. I only discovered GOT during Season 5 and binged out on it and the books. This is unquestionably the best place for a fan to be thanks to Sue and her team! None of the other sites compare.

Well, obviously we have rather different experiences with mobs. As someone from Eastern Europe I have seen and been in like 20 revolutions, and I can vouch that when the stakes are really high people don’t act like idiots. Self-organization happens in minutes, and it’s reasonable people who take the lead: you simply sense whom you should follow… But then again: KL is not Warsaw, or Budapest, or Kiev, or Vilnius, so what can I know about the KL mob? (Sorry, for being too political.)

Once I realized that facts made no difference, I stopped bothering. The Venn diagram representing the relationship between a failure to understand these plot points and leak skepticism that persisted after Spain filming kicked off is practically a circle.

Inga: 4) However, it still leaves us with the problem of Jon “Home Alone” on Dragonstone, and that’s something absolutely crazy, because how could Dany know that Jon wouldn’t strike a deal with Cersei in her absence? And what would Jon be doing “Home Alone” on Dragonstone: mining dragon glass and playing with broomsticks? If he intends to win Dany as an ally, the best way would be going with her to Highgarden and trying to charm her on the way. But that won’t be happening, so at least Tyrion should to stay on Dragonstone to interact with Jon, and that brings us back to the problem when and how Grey Worm is supposed to take Casterly Rock.

Well, there seem to be two very simple solutions to this “problem”:

1. When Jon arrives at Dragonstone, Dany has already gone to support her Dothraki at the Highgarden / caravan battle site, and she first meets him when she returns on Drogon (which could even coincide with his arrival). Please remember, we have no indication from the leaks that Tyrion will be at the battle site.

2. As some readers suggested, Dany might fly to the Highgarden / caravan battle in an impulsive action right when she gets news that her Dothraki army came too late and Highgarden was taken by the enemy. That would not require Jon being “home alone” for a long time (as only Dany & Drogon would fly to the battle site and back). Additionally, there would neither be reason to believe he’d be keen to strike a deal with Cersei, nor would he be able to do so (without any means of leaving DS) anyway.

For Cersei it’s a win. She won’t give up iron throne, which would be the case if Dany pressed for it and not white walkers. Dany had all the advantages but it comes to parlay which is more Cersei’s victory given circumstances she was in at the beginning.

Tyrells were having largest forces, most food, and gold. Not the Lannisters. No way they have 40 000 or even close. Heck, armies of the North were nerfed to absolute minimum. All of sudden only avbout 6000 men between the Boltons, the Karstarks and the Umbers when the Karstarks marched home with half of the Robb’s army, which was about 20 000 men and that means 10 000 Karstarks alone survived+ the Boltons and the Umbers. Should easily make 18 000 or more. Wildlings were reduced to just a margin of the forces and other houses in the North.

Your solutions are well-reasoned. If Jon had seen Dany depart on DC-9 Drogon, why would he and Davos be diving for cover on her return?

Do you think we will get a full fledged siege on King’s Landing by the time season 8 is over?

Because they aren’t diving for cover on her return. The ambush happens in episode 4, and Luka confirmed that Jon and Davos reach Dragonstone in episode 3.

My choice would be Jon arriving to Dragonstone in Dany’s absence: that would give him some time to renew his bond with Tyrion, etc. The problem is that the god-damned leak explicitly states that

And that makes Jon “home alone” on Dragonstone with no-one else to interact but Missandey (and/or Varys). I don’t mind Jon interacting with Missandei (and/or Varys): if he can’t reason the Dragon Queen, trying to reason her trusted advisors would be still and option. But I just have to agree with Geralt of Rivia: Jon being left alone on Dragonstone is not exactly the best negotiation position from Dany and her team.

And not only it’s a bad negotiation position, it’s simply out of character for all the characters involved. Tyrion is a reasonable guy, he knows that the WW may turn to be a real threat after all; he heard people talking about it and these were people he respected and trusted, so he should believe Jon, right? He also knows that the North can’t be won by force, so if he intends to maintain or rather reestablish integrity of the Seven kingdoms, he should advise Dany to treat Jon nicely. Dany also knows that people should be treated nicely. She have never asked anyone to kneel for the sake of kneeling. Moreover, IMO she sincerely wants to win respect of her subjects and/or potential partners. She might slightly intimidating with the strangers sometimes, but it’s more like a test: something like “You fear me? Oh, you not. How sweet.” So what would be her natural actions, if she meets Jon and then suddenly receives a call for aid from Ollena? IMO, she should say to Jon: “Take dragon glass and go to the Wall, I’ll join you as soon as I do away with Cersei.”

And Jon should understand that perfectly: he knows that allies should not be left behind, and he knows that Cersei is basically a female version of Ramsay which should be taken out for the common good. He won’t be a loser if he goes back to the North just with dragon glass and a vague promise of help in the future: he will have efficient weapons, and the war with Dany will withhold Cersei from any attacks on the North and/or its allies.

So, either the leaks are wrong, or there is some twist we don’t know yet. I have been thinking, what if Cersei takes some measures to drive a wedge between them? Basically, if Dany is somehow persuaded that Jon is a power-hungry bastard who wants to take her and rape her and use her to climb onto the IT, that could explain both Jon’s disarmament and taking him into a sort of custody. But I don’t know – just a suggestion… What do you think, folks?

My choice would be Jon arriving to Dragonstone in Dany’s absence: that would give him some time to renew his bond with Tyrion, etc. The problem is that the god-damned leak explicitly states that

That’s interesting – but where in seven hells did you read that? I have never ever seen this being stated anywhere in the original leak and would be eternally grateful for some link ;-).

Apparently, the leaks are all fake and fabricated by HBO. Before whenever something leaked HBO was on it, and now even WOTW are openly posting about suppose *leaks*.

Some of the locations and actors present might be true, but events doesn’t play like it was said there at all.

Ser Bergh, Sue’s first article about the scene she suggested the possibility that Tyrion would be present. That was speculation of course.

Tyrion is upset or something by Daenerys’ punishment of the Tarly men, which may have caused an assumption that he is present.

Moreover, survival is not what Cersei is looking for: she wants vengeance and destruction of her true and alleged enemies, which basically make the entire Westeros, so if the Night King can help her, he is welcomed. She wouldn’t mind to be turned into a wight, and very happy to become a WW Queen.

We shouldn’t forget Cersei’s pregnancy though. If that fact becomes known to Tyrion and subsequently to Dany and Jon, they might see Cersei as a potentially negotiable person. Tyrion believes that Cersei loves her children, and people like Dany and Jon wont be able to imagine that a woman (spiteful as she is) would be able to neglect the WW threat with the future of her own child at stake. So, if Dany fails to dethrone her, all the wight hunt may look more or less reasonable (at least from the Team-Dragonstone perspective), even if at the end their efforts to reason Cersei turn to be in vain. And they’ll get Jaime on their side as a consolation prize, which will sort of justify that desperate mission at the end.

However, leaving Jon “home alone” on Dragonstone for Ep 4 (according to Luca’s confirmations) is something I can’t understand.

Considering the idea of Jon being left ‘alone’ on Dragonstone…

I get the feeling some of you are thinking Daenerys leaves for days or weeks as if she’s sailing to shore, riding horse across land and bivouacking with the Dothraki somewhere inland. My thoughts have been that she leaves for maybe most of one day and evening; heading out on Drogon, ambush, fiery business and heads home. Jon may have some “dragonglass business” to attend to over that period… or they may not even have a Dragonstone scene between her leaving and returning so passage of time won’t be known.

Battle and doing it is not a matter of a day. Dothraki would go with her and they would tak weks of transporting. Unless, they’re already at place but how? If she received raven with news of sack of Highgarden.

She would rather be Queen of Ashes than anything. If pregnancy is right, she might be sceptical as her prophecy come true and she’ll neve had more child. She believes as we know. It might be a bargaining chip for Jon, Dany and Tyrion but she’s a nutcase. Euron said fuck it and left them, so no Ironborn for their cause.

They lost a dragon and gain Jaime maybe with a few thousand of Lannistre, I’d say they lost on this. Dragon will help WW pass the Wall and give them an ultimate weapon.

Well, that goes right back to something I’d written weeks ago.

We don’t have any indicators that all of the Dothraki stay on Dragonstone when Daenerys arrives. They certainly could be but what purpose would that serve for her to park her entire army on an island and just sit there. I’ve suggested the possibility that she stays at ‘base’ with a security contingent but the bulk of her troops are sent to various points on the mainland. More than once I’ve mentioned that she could have sent troops into the Kingswood where they could already be right in position for a caravan returning on the Roseroad from Highgarden. Most likely not the original intent but a benefit. It’s almost 800 miles from Highgarden to King’s Landing. There would be more than enough time between a sacking, Jaime’s preparation of the caravan and setting out for Daenerys to receive news and plan an ambush, especially if she already has troops on the ground.

I think there was something about Tyrion watching Jaime almost getting killed during the ambush battle, but I can’t find a link now.

Maybe I am wrong (I would be happy to be), but it doesn’t matter really. Dany is the sole decision maker, and she could wrap the talk with Jon in 5 minutes, if she wanted. What’s to talk about, really? The WW is a disaster which should be addressed at once; Cersei is a disaster that should be addressed at once; so, one takes the North, another takes the South and wishes each other good fortune in the wars to come. And bringing dragon glass to the Wall would be the most urgent thing: Jon didn’t expect to get dragons when he was taking the position of the KITN, so he must have an idea or two how to defend the Wall without dragons (at least temporarily). Basically, he needs oil and all kind of flammables (wood, straw, etc.). He can’t rely on the dragons alone.

Sue’s first article about the scene she suggested the possibility that Tyrion would be present.That was speculation of course.

That’s exactly what we know about it right now – ofc Tyrion COULD be there – but we have nothing to prove or falsify it.

And the assumption that Tyrion is present because he disapproves Dany burning the Tarlys is exactly what you call it – an assumption. He could disapprove without being an eyewitness, or Dany could burn them back at DS (where she called all Westeros lords to assemble), or he is indeed at the battle site – we don’t know it.

So that’s the reason for me asking @Inga why she thinks that

the god-damned leak explicitly states that Tyrion will be present at the ambush battle.

Well, it matters because it adresses your Jon Snow alone at DS problem ;-).

1. Dany does not see the WW as a disaster to be adressed at once – her aim is to (re)conquer the Iron Throne for the Targyryens, that’s what her whole storyline was about up to now.

2. Jon Snow may know how dangerous Cersei is, but he does not see her as a disaster to be adressed at once; he knows there is a much greater threat rising in the North.

So they do have a lot to talk about indeed… until Jon finally convinces Dany that Cersie is not the main problem, and their only chance is to unite mankind against the NK and his army.

But Dany does seems to believe Jon at least partially because why else would she send Jorah with them, and Tyrion at the first meeting, yet can’t commit men. Leaving Jon while handling negotiation is not the wisest move from her. It doesn’t leave the best impression on them and she needs allies with how siation developed with Tyrells, Dorne and Ironborn fights earlier in the season.

Luca have just confirmed that the ambush battle will be near the Highgarden (just in case you missed it). But I see another problem with regarding sending the Dothraki somewhere without Dany leading them in person. Let’s face it: the Dothraki are pillagers and rapists. As long as Dany will be watching them, they may abstain from their old habits, but if they are send somewhere on their own, they will relapse inevitably. So, I believe that Dany shouldn’t risk sending the Dothraki somewhere on their own. And then again there is that landing problem… So, sorry but I don’t see Dany sending the bulk of her forces to various points in the mainland purely technically (at least until you offer a reasonable landing scenario).

You might be right: losing a dragon to the Night King would be a major loss hardly worth of whatever Lannister forces Jaime may bring them. But that’s not the main problem IMO: if dragons can be killed and reanimated by the Night King so easily, they become almost useless. This time the Night King takes Viserion, next time he will take the other two. At the end of the day the WW will have three dragons, and Qyburn’s anti-dragon weaponry will be the last hope of the humankind.

So, there ha to be some twist or some specific reason, why Viserion gets killed, and it shouldn’t apply to the other two, otherwise it would be really cheesy.

Jaime stated in Season 6 that the Tyrells have the second-largest army in Westeros, and the Lannisters, by implication, have the largest. This is a huge change from the books (and makes little sense when you consider that Tywin gave Jaime half the Lannister forces in Season 1 and Robb ambushed and destroyed that army), but there you go.

Geralt of Rivia: Leaks said Tyrion will be at the battle

Guys, about the leaks, I need some help

1) People get referring to Tyrion being not so trilled at dany and her torching some westerosi nobles, but I checked the reddit post and nowehere could I find it. Source? 2) Also, Eurons was said by some to have ” freaked out” during the ” meet the wight” session, asked if they could swimm, and ran to the Iron islands. I also could not see this bit.

3) Is it possible that the whole ” Aegon Targaryen” thing is a typo? Like, maybe the leaker meant ” Aemon”? Or maybe this is something that will be revealed as a fake information after all. I sure hope so.

Why do people seem to think that Tyrion is at the ambush??Where did they get that?

It’s on the imgur pages check the forum or Reddit.The Aegon thing people get too hang up on.It might be a typo or more possibly they wanted to use the coolest biggest Targ name and that’s it.99% of the audience doesn’t know that Rhaegar first son was callled Aegon lol.

Tyrion is apparently observing from the distance Jaime charging at Dany to his certain death specifically leaks said. Before he’s saved by Bronn . Pushed into water.

Euron said: Can they swim? Jon: No. He went to Pyke and Tyrion is horrified and doubt her a bit. Tyrion and Varys are worried about her impulses.

You are confusing things that didn’t come from lads

Audience is clever and they know. Besides show and books should be same. What’s the point if it’ll be different?

Tyrion is apparently observing from the distance Jaime charging at Dany to his certain death specifically leaks said. Before he’s saved by Bronn . Pushed into water.

Sorry to be a pain in the a**, but where did you read this in the leaks?

It doesn’t say that Tyrion is at the ambush it never did.I guarantee you that most of the Audience won’t know that.They barely know who Rhaegar is.It’s difficult to remember the names of peope who are actually alive in the show much less people who have been mentioned once.Why not change it?It’s not like Jon will ever be known by that name.It’s easier and more impactful than let’s say Jahaerys.Aegon is an already established powerful targ name in the show.They would go for that.Or maybe his name is really Aegon in the books.Maybe it would be funny to GRRM to have a fake Aegon and a real Aegon lol.

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