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ディズニープリンセス Round 3: Which Couple has the biggest chance to fail? Countdown
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Snow White and Prince
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Ariel an Eric
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ジャスミン and アラジン
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シンデレラ and Charming
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Belle and Beast
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ムーラン and Shang
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ラプンツェル&フリン
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Aurora and Phillip
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I seriously consider Jasmine and Aladdin (because of Aladdin's tendency to lie and Jasmine's tempter), but I think Eric and Ariel is even more problematic. Ariel is still such a teen and lived so far without any responsibilities (and more or less ignored the few she had). But as Eric's wife, she would have a lot of those. Gone the days in which she simply swam through the ocean whenever she wanted. Her family and friends are all in the ocean, too. So she is basically alone and now has to face everything which is expected from her. Eric will hardly have the time to tour with her through the kingdom on a wim. And how does she deal with watching people eating her friends on a regular basis?
Mongoose09 - it's quite ironic that you mentioned death doing them part seeing as it already happened at one point and well, it didn't work, lol.
Anyhow, out of these couples the most problematic have to be Snow White and the Prince. It's evidently a 50/50 chance for them to either stay together forever or break up after a week of dating considering the immaturity of their romance that was somehow passed for some sort of a well developed, ultimate attraction that we never got to see forming. Love at first sight trope requires an establishment of an instant irrevokable trust and emotional attachment that goes beyond a childish idolization or surficial investment in the idea of the other.
(yes, this is basically copied and pasted from the previous round but what the heck, I'm lazy haha and my opinion hasn't changed so) I'm not responding to anyone in particular btw, just generally.
Snow White/Prince deserve to be in the top 5, IMO. I will defend them to the death, no matter how much I annoy people, & I'll be so frustrated if they're out soon. Regardless of them not spending much time getting to know each other beforehand, it seems obvious to me that they'll be together forever. They're not my favourite couple by any means, far from it actually, but they're just the classic couple, so pure and wholesome; the epitome of innocence, really. They are not supposed to be a realistic couple so people shouldn't judge them based on how real-life relationships work, they are fairy-tale like. Hell will freeze over before they part ways in my opinion. I find it impossible to picture a scene where they call it off and go in their separate directions, they will stay together until the end of time IMO.
That applies to all three classic couples, really, but especially Snow/Prince. The more 'realistic' couples in the more recent movies have more chance of failing IMO, despite the fact that they spent more time to get to know each other - the classics just have a more fairy-tail-like quality to them which will stand the test of time, regardless of how they got to know each other.
Actually I'm very pleasantly surprised all 3 classics are still in the countdown since there's an obvious bias against the classics on here (not from everyone). In fact the bias against these 3 movies/characters/whatever makes me want to leave this club for good.
There isn’t much of a storyline constructed for this couple, hence why the most accurate terms to describe them would be sweet and lovely. Snow White was a very young girl without even the most basic experience in regards to life or relationship, much like the majority of other princesses, and her adorable emotional investment in the idea of how amazing and noble and charming her prince presumably is came off as relatable and believable at the very beginning of the movie, however, the inexplicable idolization that followed later on accompanied with the concept of a man she didn’t possess virtually any knowledge about and neither got to determine whether they would actually enjoy spending time together being painted as “the only one for her” proceeded to add problematic undertones of immaturity and contrivance to their relationship. Had the movie presented their feelings as a naive teenage attempt at romance it would have worked so much more consistently contrary to the way it ended up looking due to the story passing their baseless attraction for some sort of an ultimate all consuming love that is destined to last forever, even though the “love at first sight” trope requires, as mentioned above, an instant establishment of mutual fundamental understanding that is supposed to evidently come off as mature, certain and inevitable which wasn’t the case with this particular couple given that the storyline involved badly suited contradictory elements such as teenage naivety and the concept of epic and overwhelming all at once, with no organic devolvation from one to another.
I wasn't personally responding to you in regards to Snow White/Prince, btw, I'm just so sick of the obvious bias some/a lot of people (not you) have against the classics on here and it's making me want to leave the website for good, among other reasons. I'm honestly not trying to be rude, this website is just so draining at times. It's just funny how they're tied for first in votes, yet they only have one comment. People are so biased it's unreal.
I know Snow White is naive and young, but I just can't ever see them arguing *or* being bored with each other, therefore I don't think they'll split. Honestly, it's hard to debate an argument for them since they're not realistic... but they're not supposed to be. They definitely don't deserve go out before some of the others remaining, IMO. They're just so pure.
I can see your points and, like I said, the concept of all consuming, unconditional and irrevokable love and instant emotional attachment works for me when it comes to other classic princess couples, but strikes me as problematic regarding Snow Prince for the reasons I listed above.
I know elimination is based on comments but it's actually depressing me that Snow/White Prince are now winning in votes... :(
There is also a couple of points I would like to make about Rapunzel and Flynn. The reason why they are one of those Disney romances that in my opinion work organically on every level is the fact that their relationship, contrary to the majority of Disney couples structured by the concept of "build up" (i.e. Pocahontas and Smith, Tiana and Naveen, etc), was based on acceptance rather than "I change a little but only if you change a little" formula with an additional proof of their love and loyalty established through either's willingess to make ultimate sacrifices for one another and actually making them at one point rather than infinitely talking about how grandiose and inevitably epic their love is. Frankly the validity of someone's feelings cannot be determined by any act/choice other than direct unconditional establishment of ultimate loyalty that Flynn's sacrifice and Rapunzel's willingess to give up on her long awaited freedom she strived for so much were. Hence why they will always work for me better than the majority of the rest.
But I nevertheless think that it's way too early for Snow White and the Prince to go. The fairy tale aspect aside, Snow White is just too nice that her relatioship would easily fail. And the prince adores her. If you have two people who have the same ideas of each other roles (yes, I know, they are old fashioned roles, but Snow White is happy to be a house wife and the prince seems to be quite comfortable with his role, too), and who are honestly devoted to each other, chances are that the relationship will work. There are no overblown expectations there.
Ariel for example always saw the world "up there" as some perfect fairy tale, and I don't think that reality will withstand her dreams. Aladdin and Jasmine also have very high expectations at each other.
That's the beauty about the classic princesses - the don't have high expectations, they know exactly what their role entails, and they are all responsible enough to take the bad with the good in their relationships.
And that's the beauty about Flynn and Rapunzel or Mulan and Shang...they know exactly the strength and weaknesses of the other, they see the problems going into their relationships. I'm not so sure about the other pairs in that regard.
I'll defend Eric and Ariel to death which is no secret to anyone, however, I also pointed out and highlighted the strong sides of their relationship too many times to invest more energy into doing it again now... therefore I'll just repost my thoughts although not expecting for anyone to read them.
Before the ridiculously long post I already have prepaired for them since I published it on Tumblr awhile ago as a commentary, I’d like to point out the originality of a “love at first sight” and “gradual build up” combination regarding their romance. Disney undoubtedly took a challenge with this couple after introducing the audience to it’s predecessors. Ariel and Eric’s first encounter does fall into the “love at first sight” category, however, the movie light heartedly mocks the naivety of the whole situation on numerous occasions, including but not limited when Ariel is plucking the petals of a flower in order do determine whether or not she and Eric are meant to be. Even despite being already more intensely developed than other “love at first sight” couples seeing as Ariel got to witness Eric committing acts that defined him as a person such as his investment in music and a down to earth attitude despite being a royalty, with an additional distaste for pretentious and official such as the statue presented by Grimsby (traits and qualities she could relate to) or willingess to risk his life in order to save his pet - something Ariel does mere seconds later in order to save Eric himself while staying around the burning ship before and after it’s exposion to make sure he makes it out alive - even despite all that the movie doesn’t stop on the already established connection they formed when Eric caught a glimpse of her singing a gorgeous song before drifting back into the waves. Ariel outlines a plan on seeing Eric again - remarkably in her MERMAID form, expecting him to accept her exactly the way she is and not intending to demand from him to marry her off the bat as a reward for saving his life. She wants to get to know him further, to form a stronger bond, to have an actual interaction with him. Her decision to go to Ursula was a moment of despair related to her father’s unwillingess to acknowledge her entitlement to having her own outlooks and opinions as well as his ultimate objection to at the very least trying to analyze and take an objective look at the human world rather than discriminating it entirely. Becoming a human was a part of Ariel’s self fulfillment and a reform she had been striving for, long before laying her eyes on Eric, as for her feelings for him they remained absolutely in the same condition as prior to selling her voice to Ursula (a voice that entirely belonged to her therefore no one is to instruct her on what to do with it or her own body): she wanted to get to know him and build a relationship with him and she was completely entitled to wanting to explore her feelings, regardless of her father’s disapproval and aggressive condemnation of her interests and aspirations, this approach of his being the primary reason for her rebellion and turning to Ursula in the first place.
And now the post specifically written in order to give a more detailed insight into Eric’s motives and analysis of his feelings, given that we have already covered Ariel’s.
Eric was a character initially established as a hopeless, dedicated dreamer with a designed and strong ideology of what true love is supposed to stand for, unwilling to accept any other concepts or inorganically fit into other people’s standards and perceptions of relationships and marriage continuously thrown at and forced on him in enormous proportions. The fact that the movie highlights Eric’s tendency to turn girls’ down when he sincerely believes they are not his one and only love that is meant to “strike him like a lightning” and that he is yet to find is a clear indication of him sticking to his ideology and being true to his principles for quite a long time - possibly since forever. Similarly to any other dreamer in the world, people doubt his life comprehension skills suggesting him to live in the real world and being fairly certain that one day he gets his head out of the clouds, obtains rationalism, settles down and acknowledges the delusional, baseless and immature/juvenile nature of his mentality. And then there comes a day when an event no one could expect, predict or envision happens - the lightening literally strikes and his one and only love bursts into his life exactly the way a devoted dreamer like Eric would imagine it to happen: unexpectedly, suddenly, with no warnings, falling for him at the very first sight and leaving a glimpse of her feeling with the only gift she had at that point - her voice. That voice is his only link to her and the abstract and incorporeal symbol Eric proceeds to hold on to for it’s the only connection with “the one” that is left for him. Other people react to his platonic commitment as sceptically as they always reacted to anything related to his idea of love, but just as he never took their opinions and perceptions into the account, he doesn’t seem to care this time either - in fact, he cares even less. He has found true love! And there’s absolutely no doubt they are destined to reunite again, because Eric’s irrational mind and attitude of a dreamer cultivates and upholds the concept of love transcending everything and being essentially inevitable. The sadistically creative and cunning irony backfires shortly after his heart is officially regarded as taken by someone he is determined to find and be unconditionally attached to. But he meets a girl, a girl who lacks the core identity of his idealized dream - her gorgeous voice - a girl he initially believes to be like a dozen of others before her, a girl that he is entirely convinced will NEVER be the one. Eric’s established ideology does not in any way allow the slightest step to the contrary nor implies the consideration of the possibility of a mistake in determining true love which should never be defined by logic but by an inexplicable intense feeling that comes virtually out of nowhere. And this newfound friend of his, a weird, funny, overly enthusiastic, impressionable and outgoing young lady confronts each and every one of his beliefs, exposing him to other, unexplored, unconsidered and overwhelmingly challenging sides of love: an adventure, a rollercoaster, a build up of emotion, an effort you instinctively put into making the other happy and content, a simplicity of interaction and making the other smile just by the mere fact of your presence (or existence). Involuntarily, subconsciously Eric comes to appreciate those little but valuable details and specifics more than his designed ideology and the concept of lightning and inevitability of true love being grandiose, glorious, groundbreaking and all consuming doesn’t seem as much of a realistic perspective to him anymore. In a matter of just two days a devoted dreamer is forced to grow up not by the outside forces or other people but by his own feelings, continuously struggling and being massively conflicted in a process. And there comes his presumably final struggle with himself and his ideals - to either keep holding on to what he essentially believes in or to give himself a chance to be with someone who cares, who reaches out, who breathes, dances, makes stupid things and includes him in every dangerously reckless activity she can think of because of being incredibly excited to share her experiences with him just like he shares his world with her. And in that moment he realizes he cares too and he wants this extraordinary girl to be a part of his life regardless of how strongly he is still commited to “the one”; by confidently and decisively throwing the flute into waves Eric accepts the possibility of his ideology being wrong, misguided, misconcepted and childish. He makes his choice in favour of the “real” girl, embracing his own maturing and coming to terms with the necessity of a change. It’s fair to suggest that for at least a second he regretted rejecting and moving on from his established ideals, but he does it for her nonetheless. And he is willing to always do something for her, to always sacrifice for her, to reform for her, to be as good for her as she is for him. The only upsetting and uncomfortable aspect of this kind of reformation/progression is the extent of change, which comes off as too excessive for him to handle without losing himself hence another conflict. Fastforwarding to the point where Ursula/Vanessa’s charm is broken (her presence in this storyline is irrelevant to the emotional side of Eric’s struggle and development given that he was hypnotized by her and forced into marriage without consent) and Ariel turns out to be the “girl with the voice”. The two halves of the novel are finally tied into a one whole piece at last and they make sense. Everything makes sense, starting from Eric’s faith in unconditional, unpredictable, inevitable love and the profound significance of sacrifice and growth. It all pays off in the end because Eric NEVER for a second let himself be passive - something he is being frequently accused of. Because the complexity and simplicity of love go hand in hand as well as the exaggeration and rationalism, because Eric wasn’t relying on faith anymore but entirely on himself, because Ariel wasn’t a naive lovesick puppy plucking the petals of a flower to figure out whether a guy of her dreams loves her or not but a fierce woman set out to fight for her happiness, because their love for each other was never constant, always intensely progressing, obtaining new forms and taking new challenges while remaining everlasting and unshattering. Because under no circumstances are they willing to let go of each other and they succeed and get their happy ending because it’s the essential part of their love and who they are as individuals.
I think Ariel and Eric are the next problematic couple as well. Over the three days, they eat dinner, go through the town, go on a boat ride, and then the climax takes place and by then, they are INFATUATED by each other other. Actions are very important, but words and conversation are very important as well. You cannot get to know each other without speaking to each other and have conversations about each other's life and past. She initially likes him because of his looks, and he likes her voice (unknowingly), and looks. He does laugh when she combs his hair, and looks at her when she looks under the carriage, but that does not mean he likes her curiosity, he finds her a bit strange, but does not mind it; that does not mean he likes it. She knows that he has a dog and that he likes music, which I do have to admit that she does like, but this is not enough to go into marriage, as they have so much to talk about. They could find out things about each other and their lasts that they do not like abou each other, and she will be there by herself with no one to talk to. There are so many hints that could go wrong with this situation. I cannot believe Snow White and Prince has more votes
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