Going back to what Ruby said, "You didn't need the feather to fly, you had it in you all along, Dumbo" and "It wasn't the blood - it was you." - is she saying that her blood actually had no effect on his powers; that it was all psychological and he was getting stronger on his own? I took it that way, and if it's true, then he couldn't be addicted to something that had no effect on him to begin with. The "addiction" and "withdrawal" themselves would have to be psychological as well; he had himself so convinced that he needed her blood, that he actually suffered physical and mental effects from not having it. Something to consider! Right now I'm torn as to whether or not he should practice - the more he uses his powers, the faster he may go full-demon - and I desperately do not want that to happen!

Know what I was thinking, Wendy?

He's so aware of what he can do now that I doubt even if he went demonic he'd ever turn "evil", and it's a weapon against Lucifer and demons.

I really am not scared of Sam turning demon, considering he hasn't been to Hell, isn't into all the carving and torturing and stuff, he just wants to kill demons; and Ruby done a good job on the boy not trusting anyone but his family again.

I also think he'll want to redeem himself for all the things he did whilst being manipulated by Rubes. He shouldn't drink anymore blood cause that shit is just funky, but I still think he should practice his powers.

I don't think it will work against Lucifer himself. For one thing he's not a demon, he's their creator. He's a fallen angel. I'm really unsure demon rules apply to him. I suppose it could be used against Lucifer's demon minions but I don't think it's worth the risk. I think developing his demonic powers and/or drinking demon blood will bring out all the negative qualities in Sam. I honestly think they affect his personality- not change it but like I said, bring out all his bloodthirsty, ruthless instincts. And if the angels are right(and let's face it, they haven't been wrong yet) Dean's the one who kills Lucifer. Sam should dedicate his efforts towards helping Dean find a way to kill him.

@67Impala- that's an interesting theory about Sam's "addiction" being psychological. Personally I view his addiction as both physical and psychological. Using his powers gave him a sense of control (much needed after being so helpless to save Dean from Hell). Addicts form both mental and physical addictions to their drugs. The body forms a physical dependency and the mind forms a mental one. For example when a smoker tries to quit they can use nicotine patches to wean themselves off the physical need for nicotine, but the patches are useless against the mental need to use cigarettes as a coping mechanism. That's why bucking an addiction is so hard- it's not just physical, it's mental too. Retraining the brain is a bitch.

hehe, I'm a former smoker Fanfly, and I gotta tell you it depends on the person, I simply quit smoking because I refuse to have an addiction. No nicotine patches for me either, it was never about the kicks, it was about the taste :p

Sam... I don't want to guess, I do have to agree with you on Lucifer being immune to Sam since he's an angel, hadn't thought of it in that way, and even if it won't work on Lucifer, there are still a shitload of demons coming their way!

Sam managed to down seven or so, demons in one go during "Lucifer Rising", without even breaking a sweat and that kind of thing will be necessary if Lucifer will be gunning for them, and think about it, Sam is so disgusted with himself right now he'll do anything to redeem himself, evil thoughts will be directed at demons and now he knows he doesn't really have to drink the blood, he's got it in him.

They have Sam who can kill demons, and Castiel who can send angels back to Heaven, and Dean who is supposed to kill Lucifer and hang around for eye candy and comedic relief... it's perfect!

Yes, addiction is different for each person and the smoking example is based quite a bit on my mother's experiences. She's trying to quit right now(again).

Yeah and it's true that Sam's skills would definitely be handy, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that, regardless of whether or not it's a physical addiction to the blood or a psychological addiction to the power, I do think it is an addiction. Regardless of Sam's desire to redeem himself(which I definitely think will be a big part of S5), addiction clouds your judgment. That's what I worry about.

Personally, I think (at least at first in S5) Sam is going to completely reject his powers(go cold turkey). I think he's going to be like Dean was in S4- so filled with guilt, doubt and confusion that he'll be frozen to a certain extent. Unable to take significant action other than stop doing what lead to his guilt in the first place.

lol Dean, Sam and Castiel. It's the Trinity! (oops did I just blaspheme?) ;DD

Yes, you did, OHHH!

Yeah, I believee he'll go through a stage where he'll be totally repulsed by what he did. I mean, he killed someone to justify his actions, that in Winchester Code is tsunami big, so he will most probably go all morose at first.

But I still believe he'll want to kill as many demons as he possibly can, and considering they have to stay alive, I don't think he's got that much choice, demons ain't gonna queue up to get exorcised (imagine that: Demon cuts the queue: "Excuse me! I was first!")

I think the thirst for revenge was what changed Sam the most, and Ruby, that skank-bitch, she was the ultimate corruptor, one complaint I have is that she didn't die slow enough, Sam and Dean should have beat the shit out of her first!

I'll say again, I think the powers now are a weapon considering what their purpose was has come to pass, they might even be gone now!

Bobby agrees with me, and when has he been wrong?

lol "Excuse me! I was first!" LOL That reminds me of Monty Python's Life of Brian- "Crucifixion?"- "Yes"- "Good. Out of the door, line on the left, one cross each." =DDD Sorry about the tangent.

Anyway, I realize they're in a tough situation but in the end I guess I still worry about Sam's soul more than his survival. It just seems so important to me that he not sacrifice his humanity for the "greater good". Isn't that what the angels did? They're sacrificing who knows how many human lives because they think the world will be better for it.
I think you're of the view that his powers don't have the power to affect him- it's how he uses/facilitates them that matters.
Whereas I'm still not sure that his powers/use of them doesn't have an adverse affect on him.
So I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. :)

And as much as I love Bobby, he doesn't have any more experience with this kind of thing than anyone else. That's the other thing- everything about Sam's powers is unknown. The only thing we know about them is that they came from a murderous yellow eyed demon who was told by Lucifer to create Sam. I'm not sure that his role in Lucifer's plan is done yet.

Damn, took me two days to remember I'd been commenting on this.. I'm such a nib.

Hahah, I love that movie, I think, subconsciously, I projected it into my joke :D

I understand your fear of Sam changing, I have the same fear, but for some reason I also think he's able to direct it at the demons, because he despises them.

The angels aren't sacrificing humans for no "greater good", they basically want to do a Sodom and Gomorrah! And they wanted Dean as some sort of Noah/David...

I gladly agree to disagree, hehe, that's what makes this show so much fun, the different views put forward!

I know... but for some reason, when Bobby says something it tends to be true, Sam could only help more than not. True, his powers are unknown, and I am scared he'll become some demonic bastard with a taste for human killing.

Guess we'll have to wait and see, like you said we don't know the full plan, they cut off the conversation between Lucifer and Azazel, lord knows what else they concocted.