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ワンス・アポン・ア・タイム Regina made Archie Hopper, Henry's doctor, mess with the little boy's mind. What's your opinion about it?

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that's not right! no loving mother would ever do that.
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that's a proof of her love.
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 Princess-Yvonne posted 1年以上前
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zanhar1 picked that's a proof of her love.:
She was trying to get him to 1. lover her back (in a child-mother relationship). 2. Trying to get him to stop believing in the book, which is why he wouldn't lover her. She didn't want him to think she was an evil queen.
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Princess-Yvonne picked that's not right! no loving mother would ever do that.:
"She didn't want him to think she was an evil queen." which SHE IS. she would rather force lies into his head.

the method was clearly wrong and sick since the doctor (although blackmailed and threatened) refuse to go on with it.
posted 1年以上前.
 
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blue-eyes said:
I think this is kind of an unfair question. It isn't proof that she is unloving of Henry. She wants him to love her, truly. Yes the way she is going about it is not always the most moral but I honestly think she doesn't really know how to just "love" someone without scheming and trying to trick them.

Evil Queen aside. What mother wants their child thinking they are some kind of "Evil" Queen only there to destroy "happiness".
posted 1年以上前.
 
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bri-marie said:
It's complicated. Regina... is a very complicated character. She (and her ways) aren't as simple as "evil or not." For her, though, want she wants will always come first, even if she doesn't realize that's how she's behaving.
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Princess-Yvonne picked that's not right! no loving mother would ever do that.:
I think she's obsessed with gaining Henry's love. she doesn't love him. she HAS AN OBSESSION.

and it's not as much about making (FORCING!!) Henry to stop seeing who she really is (the Evil Queen) but about keeping everyone in Storybrook from finding out the truth.

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Camronjo picked that's a proof of her love.:
I think it was wrong of Regina. However, I can see where she wouldn't want her son to see her as an evil queen (even though she is). It is like how Rumplestiltskin didn't want his son to see him as weak and a coward. I think people will go to great lengths to have the people they love to love them back.
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zanhar1 picked that's a proof of her love.:
@Blue-eyes exactly even though it is true why would she want the son she loves and cares about to see her as an evil queen. And like you said I think the question is a bit unfair, even if her approach to the matter is wrong she still loves him very much.

@Princess In a way love us an obsession. And of course she's obsessed with getting Henry to love her because she loves him. Henry is just a kid even if he does believe I doubt Gina has to worry most people would think he's telling stories. Once again she tries to keep Henry in the dark because she doesn't want him to have another reason to hate her, she just wants him to give her a chance. It's hard to prove you love someone if they think your evil. Again Gina and Queenie have very different personalities, I don't think Gina is evil like her fairytail counter part.
posted 1年以上前.
 
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blue-eyes said:
Great points Zanhar1 & Camronjo!
I also agree with bri-marie, Regina is a lot more complicated character than people are recognizing. People are only judging her at face value and saying she's "evil" without trying to see things from her perspective.

How would you feel if a strange woman came into town, found out he is your sons birth mother and then she stays! I think any parent would be threatened by this, she sees it as Emma trying to steal her son away from her. I think it would break my heart if my son was only too happy to say "your not my mother, she is!".

Let me tell you just because you give birth DOESN'T make you a mother, it's the years spent changing diapers, nursing them back to health, comforting them when they fall down and get scared. And yes be the one who punishes them when they misbehave. Henry sees Emma in this great light because she has never had to send him to his room and punish him, to be his definition of "mean". At some point I think we've all believed our parents were "evil" for making us eat our vegetables and clean our rooms.

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Camronjo picked that's a proof of her love.:
^Good point! It is the classic battle of good parent vs. bad parent. I have seen it with divorced parents a lot. The kids like the one who is letting them have fun and hate the one who repremands them. That doesn't mean that the parent who punishes their children loves them any less. In fact, most of the time, it is a sign of thier true love.
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zanhar1 picked that's a proof of her love.:
^^ Exsactly! People judge her by what's on the surface. Gina/Queenie is a very complex character; layered and multiple-dimensional. She isn't just a pretty face. She has a whole background we have yet to learn of. Gina/Queenie isn't so much evil as she is misunderstood. She just needs someone to love and comfort her.

Once again my point exactly, real mom or not any good loving mother would be intiminated and try to keep this random stranger away from her beloved son. I know I would if I had adopted a child and his real mother who was in jail appared out of the blue.

Totally, I mean Gina was the one who raised and took care of Henry. Even though it wasn't exactly her fault, Emma wasn't the one raising him and making memories with him. I mean come on, before this whole stor book thing, when he was little Henry had to have loved Gina and had fun with her. She was the one to cook his meals, changes his dipers and cloths, read him bedtime stories, and buy him fun toys. It was after she became mayor that they grew apart. It almost makes me angry at Henry; he doesn't appreciate what he has, he could be stuck in some orpanage where the babies abuse him, yet he lives in a mansion with a mother who tries very hard to be loving and he doesn't care.
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LadyKnighton picked that's not right! no loving mother would ever do that.:
I understand where everyone is coming from,I completely agree that a mother dosen't have to be the birth mother to be a mother. But Regina was wrong too have Archie mess with Henry it could have done alot of damage. If she wants to gain Henry's love and affection she can earn it the right way. But it all boils down to the fact that she isn't a good person she will first have to change before she can go forward.
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zanhar1 picked that's a proof of her love.:
^ I see where your coming as well. She's trying to fix a problem but she's doing it wrong. I really hope she redeems herself and gets a happy ending.
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LadyKnighton picked that's not right! no loving mother would ever do that.:
Me too!!! That would be awesome!
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Princess-Yvonne picked that's not right! no loving mother would ever do that.:
hope Regina/Evil Queen will learn how to love in the end. and find her happiness.

but she must pay for the evil she's done. IT'S KARMA! do bad things...and BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN TO YOU.

Love is first of all about caring for the other person more than you do for the small things you want for yourself. And Regina would rather have Henry brain-washed than let her little secrets be revealed!

Rumpelstiltskin/Mr. Gold is a complex, interesting character. Evil Queen/Regina is just cruel and selfish, no complexity. This is my opinion.
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zanhar1 picked that's a proof of her love.:
Yeah I think everyone deserves a second chance.

She is already paying for what she dud. Henry doesn't love her, she has no father, no one in storybrook likes her, she lost Graham, ect. She is already suffering.

Love comes in all forms. It's all about ones idea of what love is. Regina's love is called tough love. The 'small' thing she wants is happiness. The other 'small' thing she wants is love from Henry. Henry loving her would make her happy. Is a chance too much to ask for? In short love is Regina's happiness. Henry is that small thing that she wants for herself and she dies care. Like I said before I don't think she would care if he revealed her secreat because he's a kid, most people would think he's just playing around.

I think both characters a very complex. Rumple is more of a good guy complex character and Gina is an evil complex character. In my opinion being evil does not lessen a character's complexity.
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Princess-Yvonne picked that's not right! no loving mother would ever do that.:
She's not paying yet for anything. She's just doing MORE and MORE and MORE evil deeds (killing Graham, kidnapping Kathryn etc.)

when she'll see that she's wrong and she'll truly be sorry for what she has done...only then REDEMPTION will be possible.

I love evil characters which are well constructed (see the clubs I'm fan of!), which have a complex personality, which show HUMANITY. Regina/Evil Queen has no justification for her pure twisted, evil, sick nature. She should find her humanity (what's left of it) because she's more and more like a monster.
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zanhar1 picked that's a proof of her love.:
When one kills someone they pretty much lose a part of themselves. She is making things harder and harder for herself the more she does. We don't know that she kidnapped Kathryn yet, Kathryn could've just wandered off by herself, Sidny could've taken her, there are many people in Storybrook.

And I strongly hope she does realize that and save herself. I never said her actions were right but I do think she had good reasons to perform them and some good intentions.

I'm glad you like some evil characters, I love a lot of them too. I personally believe she does have a lot of depth, and she is human. Her desire for revenge is human. It is very much in haman nature to long fir revenge. You say she is selfish (I don't believe so) but if that's true it's also in human nature. It's only human to be selfish. Her need for love and longing for revenge is human. Her background story and those personality traits do make her complex in my mind. I do believe her actions can be justified to some extent and to call her a monster is a bit exaggerated. She is a human she is flawed and she can be redeemed if given the chance. A monster would have let Henry did in that mine, she volunteered to go in there and save him but Emma didn't let her. A monster would've killed Henry. A monster would've killed Emna right on the spot. She does have humanity left.
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zanhar1 picked that's a proof of her love.:
Btw I hope you don't think I'm mad or fighting with you or anything lol. Because I'm not trying to.
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blue-eyes said:
^^ Agree completely Zanhar1!

To say she isn't paying a price for the bad things she has done isn't right, she is. Her price is loneliness. What she does and the choices she is making is driving those who love she most desires away. But she doesn't see this... yet, she needs to see that her revenge is only causing herself more pain. She doesn't need to pay the price by anyone else's hand because it is with her own hand she punishes herself.

Calling her a monster is unfair and saying she's not a complex character is just absurd! She is THE most complex character on the show! (In my opinion)

Typically I don't like the "pure Evil" characters on shows but I don't see Regina as "pure evil". I can see the human side to her and imagine what it might feel like to be her.

Just imagine for a minute always being told by the people in your life that "you aren't good enough". I believe Regina has been hurt like this, look at Snow's father he basically said right in front of her that she was third best to him, his first wife and Snow would always be "number one".

I think if you can't see that all Regina really wants is to be someone's "one and only" you don't really have your eyes or ears open. She's flawed, imperfect but not a monster.

I truly hope in the end she is able to love and live the way all people deserve.
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Princess-Yvonne picked that's not right! no loving mother would ever do that.:
EvilQueen/ Regina WAS THE ONE AND ONLY for Jinny/MR.Glass!!!! he said that for him: SHE'S THE FAIREST OF THEM ALL. She had a chance for TRUE LOVE.

And she's lonely only because she wants to be. Because she hates people. Regina had Kathryn's friendship and The Evil Queen had Maleficent's friendship!!

Regina/Evil Queen is not a victim who never had a chance for happiness as you try to portrait her!

I truly don't know how you can say that GIVEN THE FACTS.
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zanhar1 picked that's a proof of her love.:
Long story short I think Gina is a decent person. She is hurt and lonely. She tries to fix this but dies it in the wrong ways. She has chances for happiness but doesn't recognize it, she's only human. I think she tries hard to be a good mom, she really does. I think a lot of people judge her too harshly. Some of the things stated are fact some are assumptions, some might be revealed later, and some are my own interpretations of Gina/Queenie. Annoying as it may be to some people, I try to see the good in the bad guys, I don't believe there is a such thing as pure evil or pure good; We've all got both light & dark inside us. What matters is the part we choose to act on" ~ Sirius Black.

This really isn't getting anywhere at all, we both abide firmly by our opinions. At this point I think it's best to agree to disagree as you said before.
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MagentaLovett13 picked that's a proof of her love.:
It's a very, very twisted form of affection. She felt him slipping away so she tightened her grip even harder, although it was crushing him in the process. So it IS proof of her love and HOW she loves.
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zanhar1 picked that's a proof of her love.:
She even apologized for it in season 2. She admitted that loving someone so much like that can only ush them away. And then she let him go.
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