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Sorry about the Rapunzel picture guys! I didn't see that I cropped little Anna there XD. Oh and sorry for the delay! I was in Pennsylvania since Christmas.

Well yeah. In fact Merida should be here, because at least she apologizes.

Ariel go and pursue her dreams and is self-confident, but she is also irresponsible and reckless.

Merida should still be here but Ariel is a big time yeah

Nope, I think it is okay to vote out Merida first. Ariel is irresponsible, but she isn't deliberately trying to hurt someone. Merida did. And then needed a whole damn movie to admit her mistake.

^I agree with Swanpride. Ariel's mistakes were concerning herself, while Merida wanted to change her mom and didn't seen to care when she felt pain, just asking her if her opinion in the arranged marriage had changed.

Merida got out?!?! Seriously guys, before Ariel?!

@SwanPride

Ariel couldn't even admit her mistake in a whole damn movie, and Merida never tried to deliberately change her mom. She had no intension of hurting her.

Ariel, in the same boat. She had no intension, but her dad's powers got swiped and she did all this crap and STILL couldn't apologize.

Yup.

^But she did say she loved him, and I do remember her saying "sorry" or "this is all my fault" or something like that when Triton turned into a "flower".

And Merida had the intetion of changing her mother. It just didn't turn according to the plan. A change is a change, and she tried to change her mother, a great one at that.

You think any kid would even focus on the whole Ariel wanting to pursue her dreams aspect? No, every kid will focus on the elephant in the room, the fact that Ariel was being wreckless, imature, and irresponsible. She was a really good role model in a sense because she kept trying and wouldn't give up, but she did it in a bad way. Kids are going to get the idea that you should keep trying even if it means you make selfish decisions.

^I don't think they see Ariel as imature, irresponsible, etc. They see her as: "Look! She's a mermaid! I want to be a mermaid too!"

I'm not trying to insult little children's inteligence, but that is normally the reason every girl (and some adults) love Ariel.

^No, I didn't say they are going to see Ariel as that, I said they are going to pick up on those actions.

What keeps me from voting for Ariel is that I see her as one of my role models as she never doubts herself and goes after what she desires. But in general, for someone else, she might not be the best because of her recklessness.

^^I definitely don't think they'll pick those things, because:

1. They don't notice that.
2. Most children nowadays grow out of Disney very quickly.

I think she should have left before Merida.

Merida wanted to deliberately mess with the mind of her mother...which in my eyes is MUCH WORSE than just turning her into a bear. Merida apologized for the bear part, but never for the mind-rape part. In fact, it got never addressed in the movie how wrong the whole plan was.
To the credit of Ariel, she was mainly risking herself. It was a stupid move, but she didn't go to a witch in order to harm someone else. And she certainly was sorry (and angry) when Triton took the curse for her.

^ *Applause*

Ariel by far.

Not because she "changed herself for a man" (which I think is asinine because she ALREADY wanted to change BEFORE she saw him) but because of her personality. Irresponsible, immature, reckless, selfish, inconsiderate, doesn't think about the consequences of her actions, doesn't care when her actions negatively affect others(*cough*herfamilyandSebastian*cough*­), and doesn't feel any gratitude when others risk themselves to help her. (Seriously, after nearly getting KILLED because he agreed to stay on land and help her woo the prince, Sebastian says words to the effect of "I hope you appreciate what I do for you!" and she blows him off. Yeah, why would she appreciate anyone risking their lives for her?)

Most of all, she doesn't learn from or regret any of her actions hurting others. (After her father takes her place because of the deal she made, Ariel doesn't take a moment to say "My God, what have I done?" She blames only Ursula with "You monster!" Ursula may be an evil cheating witch, but Ariel still knew she was evil going in, knew the risks, and signed the contract anyway. She shares responsibility for what happens to her father, but never accepts it.)

To those who say Ariel's "change" only affects herself and not others... I have to disagree. Ariel choosing to change herself still affects others as disappearing to the surface would worry and break the hearts of her family and get Sebastian in trouble with her father, which she doesn't care about. As long as Ariel gets what Ariel wants, everyone else can twist in the wind for all she cares.

Lol I knew my role model would get voted out early :P

*applauses Tygers_Eye*

*applauses dclairmont*

She should have gone first

Silverrose1991, I didn't say they are going to be like "oh, Ariel was being selfish and irresponsible so maybe we should too", I mean they are going to start to kind of follow her without realizing it. I never said they are going to directly follow her for being selfish and stupid.

^ shanyuisboss I rather agree. To be honest, I think people are inherently selfish (it's how we survive), particularly children, and Ariel appeals to people's primal sense of entitlement. She's the star of a film that portrays selfishness in a positive light.

shanyuisboss and Tygers_Eyes - You're right, but I still think Ariel deserved to stay rather than Merida. I think purposefully changing your mother (even if not in the way you wanted) is wose than unknowingly affect others with changing yourself. And I'm sorry, but I cannot see how Ariel is selfish. Impulsive and reckless she is, but not selfish, IMO.

^ To be fair, her mother was trying to change her every second of every day too. Constantly correcting her every word, thought and action, constantly trying to mold her into the type of daughter and princess she wanted, and tried to force her to marry a complete stranger against her will when she wasn't ready. Every time Merida tried to talk or resist, her mother would bear down harder on her and tighten her restrictions harder and harder until Merida couldn't breathe; both literally and figuratively. It's pretty clear that when Merida says "change" what she means is "less strict."

And how is Ariel not selfish?? She doesn't think or care about anyone but herself and what she wants. She only cares about getting what she wants, when she wants it, how she wants it, doesn't give a thought to how her actions might affect others, then flat out doesn't care when people try to tell her how her actions negatively affected them.

She misses her family's concert because she felt like treasure-hunting, then doesn't care that she ruined it for everyone (the entire kingdom that had to go home disappointed when the show was ruined, weeks if not months of rehearsals for her sisters and Sebastian going to waste, etc), only that SHE gets (rightly) scolded. When Sebastian tells how her absence made him a laughing stock, she continues to scowls, cross her arms, and not care. When Sebastian and the other sea creatures throw the huge "Under the Sea" shindig for her, she just leaves rather than having the courtesy to wait till the end or let them know she's leaving.

She expects Sebastian to be her secret-keeper even though he's her father's subject and he can face severe punishments for helping her. (She's his daughter. The worst he'll do is yell or break her stuff. Sebastian is a tiny crab he can crush with his hand, and as king can have demoted, fired, banished, imprisoned, executed, you name it.) This wouldn't be an issue if she actually expressed any gratitude for what he does for her.

After she becomes human and Sebastian freaks out about how her father would react ("He'd say he's going to kill himself a crab! That's what her father'd say!") she tunes him out. When he mentions how he'll tell her father though, suddenly she listens. Sebastian might get severely punished because of her? Ariel doesn't care. Sebastian might tell on her? Suddenly she cares. Sebastian agrees to stay and help her, she kisses him, puts him down, then promptly forgets he exists.

In fact, they get separated and Sebastian nearly gets KILLED because she couldn't bother keeping track of him. He's a tiny crab that has to hide in her sail dress, and she can't be bothered to make sure he stays near her or has a safe alternate place as the servants disrobe and bathe her or take her "dress" to get washed. She's too busy enjoying her bubble bath. Then Sebastian nearly gets KILLED in the kitchen, and later that night (when she's in her night gown and combing her hair with a fork) he says words to the effect of "I hope you appreciate what I go through for you!" and she just ignores him. Yeah, he almost got killed because he agreed to stay and help her against his better judgment. Why should she appreciate it?

Ugh, the more I talk about Ariel, the more selfish I find her.

^"To be fair, her mother was trying to change her every second of every day too." I don't think a mistake justifies the other. Also, Elinor, while strict, was only looking after she thought were her daugther's best interests.

Disagree with you about Ariel. This tumblr is very interesting and does an excellent defense of Ariel: link
If you have time, take a look, in particular the "Part of Your World song analysis" part.

However, l would like to point out that Ariel didn't miss the concert in purpose. It looks like she genuinely forgot it. And have you ever thought that maybe she doesn't like singing in public? Honestly, she could have been against it since the beginning and forced to do something she didn't like just for entertainment purposes.

Also, I doesn't thing she ignores him when she is preparing for bed. She looks so dreamy, lost in her thoughts.

No one can save Ariel now!
LOL at the Rapunzel picture!

Silverrose: If you're going to condemn Merida for trying to "change" her mom, then you need to also condemn her mom for trying to change her first. Merida never tried to shame her mom into being like her, she just wanted to live and let live. If her mom wants to be a graceful, elegant, studious, diplomatic, domestic woman? Fine. But Elinor was not content having Merida just know enough about the graceful and diplomatic arts to do a passing job as future queen, she expected her to *become* it inside and out, body and soul. To stop enjoying all the things Merida enjoys doing (riding horses, shooting arrows, sword fighting, etc) and to only enjoy doing the things Elinor enjoyed doing, and to be exactly the way she is. And that's before trying to force her into a marriage she's not ready for.

Elinor expecting Merida to completely change her interests and personality to be exactly like her(s) fine, but Merida wanting to "change" her mom by just making her "less strict" or "more lenient" in direct response to her mom constantly bearing down on her is unforgivable to the extreme?

And oh, are you barking up the wrong tree with regards to Ariel. None of those points actually address any of the points I made above. Her dad not budging on humans still does not address how Ariel is constantly late or doesn't show up to places people expect her to be (the ultimate form of rudeness), just leaves when people are in the middle of addressing her, tunes people out when they're talking to her until what they're saying directly relates to her, doesn't show gratitude when people risk themselves to try to help her (she just takes it for granted that they should help her even though she never returns the favor), doesn't show concern for their well-being, doesn't care when people mention how her actions negatively affect them, etc.

Also, I know Ariel didn't miss the concert on purpose. However, before the concert Sebastian mentions how Ariel also constantly misses rehearsals. ("If only she'd show up for rehearsals once in a while.") This shows that Ariel constantly puts herself before others. If it was a one-time offense or a rare occurrence, I could forgive her. However, Ariel shows that she constantly thinks about herself and not other people.

In fact, I'll argue that being habitually late or not showing up to places that people expect you to be is a huge form of rudeness and selfishness. People take time out of their day to plan to see you; time that could be spent doing something else (like the kingdom taking time out of their day to go to the concert to hear her sing), and when you waste their time by keeping them waiting by being late or not showing up because you did not try to arrive on time, is showing that you don't value their time or them. What you are saying is: "My time is more valuable than yours." "What I am doing right now is more important than seeing you." Ariel is constantly late and/or doesn't show up because she doesn't think about other people. She only thinks about what she feels like doing that second. She forgets to consider other people because she's too busy thinking about herself and what she wants to do. And she does it all the time. And that is selfish.

Also: "I doesn't thing she ignores him when she is preparing for bed. She looks so dreamy, lost in her thoughts." And he's talking to her, and she can't be bothered paying attention because her own thoughts are more interesting than him. Again, Ariel focusing on what she feels like doing (being lost in thoughts) over caring about what the person right in front of her has to say. (Not like this is any different from what she's been doing all movie.)

Well, let's just agree to disagree because this is becoming tiring and this round already ended. In regards to the Merida-Elinor relationship, my point is that I don't like Merida using magic to change her mother.

So... it's all right to change someone as long as you don't use magic? The end result is the same, the person has changed. Whether one forces it through constant behavior correcting or magic, the person still winds up different from before.

Elinor was the instigator by constantly trying to force Merida to change, would not let up no matter how much she tried to resist or reason, and would not compromise no matter how much Merida begged, so I can kind of see where she kind of felt she was at the end of her rope. Should she let her mom force her into a marriage she wasn't ready for and give up the life she loved, or try to get her mom to change her mind about the marriage by being less strict and unrelenting?

Anyway, my point is that apart from this one lapse in morality and judgment, I think Merida is an all around better role model than Ariel (who I think is a terrible role model 95% of her screen time).

^ I actually think the point you make is a really good one, I've never actually thought about it that way before.