ディズニープリンセス Most Feminist DP Movie Countdown! 日 7: Pick the LEAST Feminist! (Elimination based on comments)

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塔の上のラプンツェル
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ムーラン
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 Jessikaroo posted 1年以上前
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Jessikaroo picked ムーラン:
10. Cinderella
9. Aladdin
8. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
7. Princess and the Frog
6. The Little Mermaid
5. Sleeping Beauty
4. Beauty and the Beast
3. Pocahontas
2. ?

It should leave for similar reasons to PatF, but I'm conflicted.
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Sirea picked ムーラン:
I can't tell you why, but Tangled is much fore feminist than Mulan.
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Snickerz911411 picked 塔の上のラプンツェル:
I think this movie is less feminist
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Swanpride picked ムーラン:
That'y a really, really hard one...but I guess, I go for Tangled being more feminist. Because Mulan is treated very much as a "special case" in the movie, one in every other dynasty, there is nothing about woman in general deserving more respect. In Tangled on the other hand, we see a truly equal relationship and we get the first princess, who is later on allowed to reign over her kingdom (successfully, I might add). It's not even clear if the king of the queen (or both) are the regent of Corona. But it's really hard, considering that Mulan is very much a statement about the abrivarity of gender roles.
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Jessikaroo picked ムーラン:
As this is the last round, I thought I should pint out what constitutes as a good answer. Since I've commented before why Mulan is less feminist, I didn't feel the need to retype everything. But I see I have too.
I think Mulan is less feminist because it specifically focuses on gender equality. While Tangled is lacking on the female representation, the females shown are strong and there are no prejudice against them because they are women. While neither are my personal number one's, out of the two Tangled is much better than Mulan in terms of the countdown.
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AllegroGiocoso picked ムーラン:
I was going to vote for Tangled but changed my vote after reading Swanpride's comment.
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BelleAnastasia picked 塔の上のラプンツェル:
I've already explained why I think Tangled is not that feminist.
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rhythmicmagic picked ムーラン:
Jessikaroo- I think you meant gender inequality.
Which takes me to why I find Tangled more feminist. Mulan focuses more on the wrong-ness of gender inequality than the right-ness of gender equality, and while it is never actually discussed in Tangled, it is strongly shown in a positive light. You could switch the gender roles, and other than the hair (which is a bit of a biological issue) the story/ effects on the characters would be basically exactly the same. Rapunzel and Eugene work together in their relationship, and it is an equal partnership, if anything, Rapunzel weilds the power. Both are great, but Tangled just rises above to be more feminist than Mulan.
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Swanpride picked ムーラン:
@rhythmicmagic Very well said....
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maryksand picked ムーラン:
Has to be the hardest question ever, because growing up, as pretty much any other kid of 90-s raised on the Disney movies, I considered Mulan to be the epitome and the most evident representation of girl power, however, one aspect of the movie/story that did bother me even then and still does bother me now is the implication that a woman - regardless of how much she progresses, develops and achieves - in the end of the day belongs in the "right" place of honoring her family. While Mulan doesn't do it in a traditional sense or in a way that the society requires her to varify and prove her value (aka matchmaker & successful marriage), she as well as the movie do in one way of another uphold the concept of a woman NEEDING to prove her worth to the society and her family while in the end basically coming back to where she started as the "family honoring mission" is accomplished hence Mulan returning home after rejecting the Emperor's offer, demonstrating her medals of honor to father and even bringing home a man (which, intentionally or not, does highlight and further push the concept of a woman bringing the honor to her family being linked to not only her personal achievements but also to being exposed to a perspective of marriage... which was the mentality Mulan rebelled against in the first place). Whereas Tangled advocates for the idea of a woman NOT belonging to anyone or owing anyone anything hence Rapunzel's rebellion against oppression from the side of her possessive and abusive captor/parent figure and a relationship with a person just as broken and conflicted that develops due to them mutually and equally contributing to each other's personality growth. Rapunzel's story of liberation is not revolving around the NEED of impressing or fitting into the society in one way or another, be it a successful marriage or incredible heroism (the latter being exactly the case with Mulan), instead it largely focuses on the main heroine's journey of SELF discovery, SELF expression, overcoming and battling the SELF worth issues and eventually being able to effectively integrate herself into the society while not playing by anyone's rules and without being obligated to prove anything to anyone BUT herself. Becoming a wise ruler as stated in the end she also chooses to marry a commoner with no privileges which wouldn't give her any bonus points in regards to society perceptions but it's something she does anyway because it's what she wants. Tangled upholds and advocates for the idea of a woman belonging entirely to herself and in addition to that exposes the audience to the completely and fundamentally equal relationship between two protagonists which does come off as more feminist than the concept behind Mulan or at least that's the way I perceive it.
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Jessikaroo picked ムーラン:
Oops, typo in mine. Thank you rythmicmagic, I did mean inequality.
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Swanpride picked ムーラン:
Oh, and it's just a detail, but I love the way Rapunzel grabs Eugene in the very last scene for a kiss, with her above him and him hanging in her arm, basically switching the "traditional" kissing position in which a woman gets swooped of her feet by a man.
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Popcornfan picked 塔の上のラプンツェル:
Mulan shows you there is a difference in society views about men and women. The first half of the movie (and a bit more too), she has that prejudice against her, but she manages to fight back. I like that there's travestism, from both sides (remember the guys dressing as women to enter the palace), because even if it's for a strategy, it makes them put themselves in the other gender's role.
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