To sum it up there is a local high school that has had a problom with people cloging the toilets in the boys room with toilet paper for 2 years now so they make boys come to the office to sign out and in toilet paper. Also how do you feel about stuff like this in general, people getting punsihed for other actions. For me, when in elementary school, our class wouldn't get to go to outside if anyone at our table talked during the last 10 minutes of lunch even if they knew who was talking or if the person admited it. Ether we all got to go out or none of us soo we didn't get to go out alot and i felt that if i wasn't going to get to go out anyway then why shouldn't i have fun and not listen as well, if that would have been fun.

Perhaps it goes a little above what they should have to do (and frankly, I don't think this sort of thing does anything except create new problems), but then I also don't think it should be an option denied to schools. If they choose to do this, that's fine, though it sounds kind of oppressive.

I have to disagree with you on this one whiteflame i think this kind of thing should be denied to schools. Overall i think punishing everyone for what some people do is wrong and we should never do it but in reality sometimes it's the only option. You have to protect the victims first and for most so i guess it has to happen sometimes.

However with this case i think it could cause health probloms to people. I mean i whouldn't go to the office to ask for toilet paper i would be to embarassed, although i would bring toilet paper with me and i don't go 2 out of the house anyway.

Also this probobly makes time issues as well. If you had to go to the office then to number 2 then back to the office thats alot of time out of class which the teacher more then likely wouldn't like and if it was an emergence you might not make it to the office then to restroom. Having diarrhea in school is bad enough already, although if it was me i could fake an asyhma attack and go home :)

Overall going to the restroom when needed as needed is a basic human right as far as im concerned and embarassment from this interfers with that. Also you have to come to school wether you want to or not, for most people, and stuff like this makes it worse for people like me who don't want to be there anyway. I dont know how many things they tried to stop this, it was for 2 years, but i don't think this should be permited.

The health concern speaks to me, but the rest don't. Hall passes already require students to make it publicly known that they're going to the bathroom, and this system does nothing to make it more public, at least nothing substantial. I don't think it dramatically affects attendance either, since much of there's nothing intensely new, as I pointed out, and generally if this is the straw that broke the camel's back, then that's more the result of previous worries. Time requirements in general could be changed to allow for more time for students to go to the bathroom, and the time loss is relatively minimal when it comes to learning.

But the health concern, as I said, is a good point. I could see, however, two responses that could handle it. The simplest way is simply to provide toilet paper to teachers instead of offices. This way, they could be handed out with hall passes, not increasing time requirements at all. The other is simply to have emergency stashes with teachers, allowing their usage in situations like this. Admittedly, the latter case would probably turn into the former, as many kids would likely claim to have emergencies to avoid the walk to the office, but the idea is still the same of allocating toilet paper better without making it easily available for use in bathrooms.

Well i agree with you with some of your solutions but not with all that you said.

With the hall passes i dont know how it was where you went to school, or how it was in this school, but at mine you got a day planer at the beginning of the year that had a page with 40 slots on it and you put down where you want to go and your teacher looks at it and signs it, or not. So at the school i went to no one knew where you were going but the embarassment i was talking about was when you have to go to the office to ask for it. Although maybe im just easily embarassed. With what I was talking about with making school more unplesant yes it would have to be the last straw, and it's not that big of a straw, but it is, i think, not needed.
For the time part how long it would take depends one the schools layout. At my high school my art class was about 4 minutes away if i didn't hurry. So 4 minutes there then 4 minutes back is 8 minutes out of a 45 minute class can be anoying.

I however agree with your solutions although asking the teacher for it in front of the whole class would be worse, maybe in just embarassed to easy.

I can see why they'd do it, but based on past experiences (as the good kid who's always getting punished for others' mistakes) I'm gonna say things like this should not happen. They can keep track of who is going to the bathroom and when and then make only the 'bad' kids sign in and out, but well behaved students should have more freedoms. For example: in my school because of the high lunch ditching rate they make us use ID cards to scan into lunch! I hate it, I never ditched in my life, never even thought of it, yet I have to wait in a slowly moving line like a kindergartener to make sure I made it to lunch! It's silly honestly, because a couple of people couldn't handle the responsabiltiy of showing up to lunch we all suffer. Not to mention (I don't know about everyone else) my first thoughts whenever I am being punished for something I didn't do are; "if I'm being punished for ditching despite having nothing to do with ditching, I might as well freaking do it! I mean I'm being punished anyways." I'd rather be punished for something I actually did. The school staff are lucky I can refrain myself.

I would have to agree with Zanhar, but Waga and Flame both make good points, too. The thing is, it does sound a bit excessive, when other kids are getting punished for it. I think the known 'troublemakers' should be accompanied to the toilets and supervised - not directly in the toilet, but enough so that they can't cause any problems.